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41 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Absolute horseshit and completely irrelevant.  Of the millions of people who voted yesterday, do you imagine that even one of them went to the polling station thinking about Ursula von der Leyen or the ex-president of fucking Latvia?

No but I bet they thought of  gangmasters doing shit like below, endured in every town in Britain. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cumbria-56988881

 

Edit. And I bet they saw the below. Rich landowners flying in cheap Labour during a pandemic. Where the fuck was the Labour party? 

 

I bet they saw it, some of these working class (gammon) types own televisions now.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-jobs-row-as-romanian-fruit-pickers-arrive-for-harvest-11974364

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5 hours ago, Gnasher said:

I totally agree with your point but I'm just stating facts that most of the UK has been partially vaccinated and that's obviously going to give a lot of the country relief from the worry of catching covid.

There would've been tens of thousands of more voters if they hadn't fucked up the pandemic in the first place.

 

Getting a good vaccine program rolled out is a very poor second choice IMHO, and the very least the fuckers could do.

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3 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Hmm...

I'll wait to here from Hartlepool rather than take your word for it, if that's OK.

Not Hartlepool the whole country. Free movement for gangmasters to move around people's and cheap labour has created a situation where the average person on the street believes the Labour party is no longer on their side. The results are obvious and oh so predictable.

 

Their was nothing so horribly tory than last summer rich people flying in poor people to do menial work, disregarding that areas poor people for the goal of driving down the price of asparagus for rich people. It should've been an open goal for the Labour party and years ago it would have been.

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2 minutes ago, Lario said:

There would've been tens of thousands of more voters if they hadn't fucked up the pandemic in the first place.

 

Getting a good vaccine program rolled out is a very poor second choice IMHO, and the very least the fuckers could do.

I don't disagree with you mate you're 100% correct.

I'm just playing devils advocate and seeing it now as the voters are possibly seeing it, not saying its right but people are relieved by the vaccine rollout and are also looking at the EU vaccination mess.

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The lying liar who ran a campaign of lies from a bus with a massive lie on the side is still lying about Brexit... and still not getting pulled up on it by half-arsed hacks.

 

 

 

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20 hours ago, Gnasher said:

people are relieved by the vaccine rollout and are also looking at the EU vaccination mess.

With voters, it's always about perception - in this case "our vaccine rollout is much more successful than theirs, therefore we were right to leave the EU".  As with everything else, reality is far less black & white than perceptions, slogans and headlines. 

 

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2021/03/25/has-the-uk-really-outperformed-the-eu-on-covid-19-vaccinations/

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2021/feb/14/brexit-britain-eu-covid-vaccination-fiasco

 

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5 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

With voters, it's always about perception - in this case "our vaccine rollout is much more successful than theirs, therefore we were right to leave the EU".  As with everything else, reality is far less black & white than perceptions, slogans and headlines. 

 

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2021/03/25/has-the-uk-really-outperformed-the-eu-on-covid-19-vaccinations/

 

This is a really handy visual to keep a check on things.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

 

Because we went against the grain and waited for twelve weeks between injections it created a weird picture, not to detract from the work the NHS and volunteers did, but Europe is now catching up after we started the marathon sprinting.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

This is a really handy visual to keep a check on things.

 

https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations

 

Because we went against the grain and waited for twelve weeks between injections it created a weird picture, not to detract from the work the NHS and volunteers did, but Europe is now catching up after we started the marathon sprinting.

 

 

Screenshot 2021-05-08 at 10.31.21.png

It's catching up because Pfizer / BionTech upscaled the production massively. And Germany finally relented and included GPs in vaccination efforts. UK's rollout has been exemplary, a great mix of foresight, good organization, scientific excellence, luck, nationalistic selfishness and downright cuntery, so ideal point scoring exercise for a post-Brexit government. It proved that a concept of a selfish nation state has an advantage over supranational co-operation when it comes to disasters and wars. It is why the EU doesn't have an army and works best in normal peacetime situations which do not require quick decisions, procedural risks or inventiveness of approach.

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46 minutes ago, SasaS said:

It's catching up because Pfizer / BionTech upscaled the production massively. And Germany finally relented and included GPs in vaccination efforts. UK's rollout has been exemplary, a great mix of foresight, good organization, scientific excellence, luck, nationalistic selfishness and downright cuntery, so ideal point scoring exercise for a post-Brexit government. It proved that a concept of a selfish nation state has an advantage over supranational co-operation when it comes to disasters and wars. It is why the EU doesn't have an army and works best in normal peacetime situations which do not require quick decisions, procedural risks or inventiveness of approach.

Unfortunately, viruses don't give a fuck about national dick-swinging contests: a global pandemic is best attacked internationally. 

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On 07/05/2021 at 14:20, Lario said:

There would've been tens of thousands of more voters if they hadn't fucked up the pandemic in the first place.

 

Getting a good vaccine program rolled out is a very poor second choice IMHO, and the very least the fuckers could do.

I'm Irish so obviously like the rest of the EU is about a month behind the UK in vaccine rollout and the reopening up of the economy and the Tories are riding that wave at the moment. 

However, 0.1% of Ireland's population died with/from Covid while almost double that (0.19%) died with/from Covid in the UK.

That 0.09% difference is about 60,000 dead people. 

I know the UK is more populous than Ireland but the cultures are similar re pubs, gatherings and work etc. 

How this isn't hit home consistently by journalists and opposition parties is beyond me. 

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Labour think they have found fundemental problems with the small print in the Brexit de-coupling agreement which would significantly undermine the Freeport idea before it's even been launched fully...

 

Looks like in their haste to placate the masses they didn't read the fucking deal properly and now might not be able to get their headline policy off the ground.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Labour think they have found fundemental problems with the small print in the Brexit de-coupling agreement which would significantly undermine the Freeport idea before it's even been launched fully...

 

Looks like in their haste to placate the masses they didn't read the fucking deal properly and now might not be able to get their headline policy off the ground.

 

 

 

Here you go, it's now being reported.

 

https://www.business-live.co.uk/ports-logistics/labour-accuses-government-catastrophic-freeports-20562446

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On 26/02/2021 at 11:06, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Keep swerving the point, Gnash. 

 

Brexit strips migrant workers of their rights.

Stripping workers of rights creates the ideal conditions for modern slavery. 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/michel-barnier-calls-for-five-year-halt-to-immigration-across-europe-268949/

 

 

Angry angry angry, you old mate Micky stating what anyone with a pair of eyes knew fucking years ago.

 

EU expansion? It does what it says on the tin.

 

" people traffickers have become a major problem" 

 

https://www.cityam.com/michel-barnier-calls-for-halt-to-immigration-across-europe/amp/?utm_content=buffer4a87b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer&__twitter_impression=true

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Barnier calls for a halt of immigration for three years, flags up the massive problem of people traffickers. 

 

If he'd have taken this line a few years ago it's likely Britain would still be in the EU and we wouldn't be ruled by a majority tory government.

 

https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/michel-barnier-calls-for-five-year-halt-to-immigration-across-europe-268949/

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1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Never a dull moment with you, is it, Gnash? I did not think that your next move would be to align yourself with a conservative presidential candidate, desperately doubling down on the racist "Fortress Europe" shit in a bid to win votes.

 

To return to the point I keep making, as literally everybody who gives a shit about people trafficking and modern slavery will tell you, if you strip migrant workers of their rights, you make them more vulnerable and make life easier for the traffickers and slavers. Brexit strips migrant workers of their rights and that alone should make decent people want to oppose it.

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1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Sad but true. 

 

 

It's not true, though. 

 

Inside the EU, he appears to be calling for a tightening of the Schengen freedoms; for example, leaving France with the kind of border controls the UK always had. 

 

"If the EU had suspended" any of the Four Freedoms, it would pretty much defeat the purpose of the whole endeavour.  In any case, I'm one of those soppy old tarts who thinks that increasing freedom for people is a good thing. 

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13 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Where is that quote from? I couldn't find it in either of those links.

It's was in the first link.

 

https://www.cityam.com/michel-barnier-calls-for-halt-to-immigration-across-europe/amp/?utm_content=buffer4a87b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer&__twitter_impression=true

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33 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Never a dull moment with you, is it, Gnash? I did not think that your next move would be to align yourself with a conservative presidential candidate, desperately doubling down on the racist "Fortress Europe" shit in a bid to win votes.

 

To return to the point I keep making, as literally everybody who gives a shit about people trafficking and modern slavery will tell you, if you strip migrant workers of their rights, you make them more vulnerable and make life easier for the traffickers and slavers. Brexit strips migrant workers of their rights and that alone should make decent people want to oppose it.

Fuckinv hell angry you're accusing me, me of siding with EU buffers like Barnier? What you been doing for the past five or so years. 

 

One of us could see right through the whole good guy bluff of Vonn der Lyenn, the EU second in command extreme right wing latvian nut job and super silky ultra conservative Barnier and it wasn't you.

 

Anyway as I've said before, you mean we'll but you're wrong about these poor fuckers rights angry, they've got no fucking rights, nothing worth speaking of anyway, they're little more than a cheap commodity to be traded throughout Europe by wealthy employers and aided by right wing EU political leaders, politicians who when laid bare are nearly as ugly as the putrid bastards we have at home. Free movement? Even the ones who created this shit dump it when they need to answer to the people.

 

 

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Yeah, OK.  You're right about Modern Slavery.  I'm wrong.  Unseen UK are wrong.  The Anti-Trafficking Monitoring Group are wrong. The Human Trafficking Foundation are wrong.  Literally everyone who works to tackle slavery and human trafficking is wrong.  But you're right.  Keep up the good work.

 

https://www.unseenuk.org/news/110

 

https://www.antislavery.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/ATMG-Brexit-paper.pdf

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-03/uk-risks-becoming-a-haven-for-trafficking-exploitation-post-brexit

https://news.trust.org/item/20201204122813-jyg76

 

 

 

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10 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Fuckinv hell angry you're accusing me, me of siding with EU buffers like Barnier? What you been doing for the past five or so years. 

 

One of us could see right through the whole good guy bluff of Vonn der Lyenn, the EU second in command extreme right wing latvian nut job and super silky ultra conservative Barnier and it wasn't you.

 

Anyway as I've said before, you mean we'll but you're wrong about these poor fuckers rights angry, they've got no fucking rights, nothing worth speaking of anyway, they're little more than a cheap commodity to be traded throughout Europe by wealthy employers and aided by right wing EU political leaders, politicians who when laid bare are nearly as ugly as the putrid bastards we have at home. Free movement? Even the ones who created this shit dump it when they need to answer to the people.

When did I "side with" Barnier, von der Leyen or the Latvian whose name I don't even know?  You're the one obsessed with individuals: I'm more concerned with workers' rights.

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Just now, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Yeah, OK.  You're right about Modern Slavery.  I'm wrong.  Unseen UK are wrong.  The Anti-Trafficking Monitoring Group are wrong. The Human Trafficking Foundation are wrong.  Literally everyone who works to tackle slavery and human trafficking is wrong.  But you're right.  Keep up the good work.

 

https://www.unseenuk.org/news/110

 

https://www.antislavery.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/ATMG-Brexit-paper.pdf

 

https://www.itv.com/news/2020-12-03/uk-risks-becoming-a-haven-for-trafficking-exploitation-post-brexit

https://news.trust.org/item/20201204122813-jyg76

 

 

 

I think you're missing your ex mate Barniers point Angry. EU expansion has caused problems, the influx of cheap Labour has caused problems, free movement has caused problems. It hasn't caused problems for the traders of people, on the contrary its been very profitable for them but it has caused problems for others, not least those being traded. EU expansion eh? Hows good ol Hungary doing for fucks sake?

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20 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

When did I "side with" Barnier, von der Leyen or the Latvian whose name I don't even know?  You're the one obsessed with individuals: I'm more concerned with workers' rights.

Well they are at the very top of the EU tree so you know putting two and two together and all that..

 

 

Anyway here's Vonn der Leyenns number two. Ex Latvian prime minister who made such savage austerity cuts in his own country half the male population left. His austerity cuts (which stopped building regulations to save money) also led to the country's worst ever disaster after a new building collapsed which led to many many deaths. He was then stripped of office.

 

However one countrys loss means someone eles gain and weren't we the lucky ones when the EU saw his far right cost cutting talents and whisked him onto their top table. He's also the idiot who suggested a hard border for Northern Ireland a few months ago. 

 

They really are a lovely bunch of right wing free market lovers in Brussels. Almost as bad as our mob, not quite as bad but almost.

 

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2013/12/10/the-fall-of-the-latvian-government-after-the-riga-supermarket-tragedy-has-exposed-deep-divisions-in-the-countrys-political-system/

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