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  1. 1. Should the UK remain a member of the EU

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53 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Why did you say the word "either" then? Following others on the forum perhaps? Yes I've read it. I can give you plenty of other examples if you desire. Another mistake you've made is when you spout 'that's what you and your mates voted for"  A. I didn't vote for it. B. People dont vote for something in a referendum they vote against something. Same as governments, as the wiley old sage Harold Wilson once remarked " the public dont vote governments in they vote them out" he was correct. It's where Cameron went wrong, giving a binary choice for a complex subject, your train of thought is following the same path. 

 

Now have a good day I'm off to listen to my Vera Lynn records.

I said either because that article, like plenty of previous ones you posted didn't say anything like what you claimed it did. Unlike most on here I occasionally click on your links.

 

Secondly don't misquote me please. I didn't say you and your mates, I know you didn't vote for the one thing you never shut up about, hence the reason I said just your mates.

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1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I never said it was easy: I said they had the right.

 

Slavery is a real thing and it's illegal. You keep blurring the lines of your argument by using the word "slavery" to describe things that aren't slavery: workers (such as migrant workers in agriculture) who are overworked and underpaid are no doubt exploited, but that alone doesn't make them slaves.

 

Slavery is a serious subject, so please take it seriously; that means being accurate in your terminology.

There are also many forms of slavery. Brian Ferry was famously a slave to love, whilst Grace Jones was enslaved by the rhythm.

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6 minutes ago, SasaS said:

There are also many forms of slavery. Brian Ferry was famously a slave to love, whilst Grace Jones was enslaved by the rhythm.

Slaven Bilic. 

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16 minutes ago, SasaS said:

Grace Jones was enslaved by the rhythm.

 

If it wants you there is nowhere you can hide, the rhythm is gonna get you.

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2 hours ago, SasaS said:

There are also many forms of slavery. Brian Ferry was famously a slave to love, whilst Grace Jones was enslaved by the rhythm.

Grace Jones is boss.

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3 hours ago, No2 said:

I said either because that article, like plenty of previous ones you posted didn't say anything like what you claimed it did. Unlike most on here I occasionally click on your links.

 

Secondly don't misquote me please. I didn't say you and your mates, I know you didn't vote for the one thing you never shut up about, hence the reason I said just your mates.

"Unlike most on here" chuckle. You and your other posters again eh kid? You seem to think you know what other posters do or in this case dont do dont you?  Jog on.

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4 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

They have the right to be protected by the Council, health authorities and the Police - as demonstrated by that article. 

 

They are not slaves. 

Oh come on Angry. Some are some are not. You buy a ticket and take your chance. Exploitation is rife on these farms and most people know it. 

 

Many landowners know and turn a blind eye. 

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hereford-worcester-49396728

 

It's all over Southern England.

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44 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Oh come on Angry. Some are some are not. You buy a ticket and take your chance. Exploitation is rife on these farms and most people know it. 

 

Many landowners know and turn a blind eye. 

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-hereford-worcester-49396728

 

It's all over Southern England.

"Some are, some are not" is the truest thing you've said on this subject.  It's important not to blur the distinction. 

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18 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

"Some are, some are not" is the truest thing you've said on this subject.  It's important not to blur the distinction. 

Ok far too many are is more accurate. The exploitation of the poorest workers in the eu is off the scale. The eastern European farm workers are this centuries cotton pickers. The landowners have the money and have the subsidies there was no excuse.

 

I'm just repeating myself so I'll leave it there. 

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5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Ok far too many are is more accurate. The exploitation of the poorest workers in the eu is off the scale. The eastern European farm workers are this centuries cotton pickers. The landowners have the money and have the subsidies there was no excuse.

 

I'm just repeating myself so I'll leave it there. 

There you go again.

The exploitation of the poorest workers is a massive problem (and by no means one that's unique to the EU, or even worse in the EU).

Slavery is also a massive problem. 

The two things shouldn't be conflated. 

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15 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

There you go again.

The exploitation of the poorest workers is a massive problem (and by no means one that's unique to the EU, or even worse in the EU).

Slavery is also a massive problem. 

The two things shouldn't be conflated. 

One last time  I have not said modern day slavery is unique to the eu I'm pointing out that eu freedom of movement added to EU expansion has provided fertile ground and optimum conditions for slave masters and people traders. The results are there to see in every city, the eu are complicit.

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10 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

One last time  I have not said modern day slavery is unique to the eu I'm pointing out that eu freedom of movement added to EU expansion has provided fertile ground and optimum conditions for slave masters and people traders. The results are there to see in every city, the eu are complicit.

You are absolutely wrong to say that. 

 

If you want to argue that free movement of people has opened up opportunities for bad bosses to exploit workers (not slaves) from a wider pool, then at least you might have grounds to argue on.

 

If you're arguing that free movement promotes slavery, then you make yourself look stupid, because the opposite is self-evidently true.

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24 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

One last time  I have not said modern day slavery is unique to the eu I'm pointing out that eu freedom of movement added to EU expansion has provided fertile ground and optimum conditions for slave masters and people traders. The results are there to see in every city, the eu are complicit.

I think it is the illegal African migrants working on fruit and vegetable plantations round Almeria in Spain who are much worse off than the in-Union labour.

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18 minutes ago, SasaS said:

I think it is the illegal African migrants working on fruit and vegetable plantations round Almeria in Spain who are much worse off than the in-Union labour.

Yeah there are. As number 2 said up thread the slavery in Qatar for the upcoming world cup is atrocious.

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12 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

You are absolutely wrong to say that. 

 

If you want to argue that free movement of people has opened up opportunities for bad bosses to exploit workers (not slaves) from a wider pool, then at least you might have grounds to argue on.

 

If you're arguing that free movement promotes slavery, then you make yourself look stupid, because the opposite is self-evidently true.

Not slaves? Oh they're modern day slaves alright, it might make your  justification easier if we just turn our cheeks and pretend it's a bit of exploitation but unfortunately for the victims window dressing the issue only enables the slave masters. 

 

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/labor-trafficking-exploitation-modern-day-slavery-on-the-rise-in-europe-report/

 

 

The report below is a fucking shocker, cant defend this shit...

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/12/11/world/europe/eu-farm-subsidy-lobbying.html

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45 minutes ago, Paulie Dangerously said:

The £80 dog passport I got last year is now useless and I need to get documentation for £100 everytime we take our dog away. Thanks Brexit 


From the vets, isn’t it?

 

Also needs to be planned months in advance.

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6 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:


From the vets, isn’t it?

 

Also needs to be planned months in advance.

Yes, I'm about to start planning a trip for August.

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