Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

I didn’t wish anyone dead. I said I didn’t care if you died, that’s the truth.  On reflection it was unnecessary and I shouldn’t have said it and I apologise. 
 

Edit: Gnasher, not you obviously Stig.  

Hahaha I did wonder for a second what the fuck I'd done wrong 

[Rico1304]

Just now, Bjornebye said:

Hahaha I did wonder for a second what the fuck I'd done wrong 

Ha ha ha sorry mate!  

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Well you must have had me on ignore with the rest of the flowers then because that's simply not true.

Flowers is a great insult. 

[Tj hooker]

Oh dear 

[Bjornebye]

4 minutes ago, Tj hooker said:

Oh dear 

Underneath that story

 

 

 

Unfortunately thousands of these Brexiteers will get stung on the arse. They won't get my sympathy. 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

A quarter of under 25s unemployed.. EU response was to open the labour pool with predictable consequences. Employers did very well though, swings and roundabouts an all that...

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/commentisfree/2020/nov/11/europe-cant-afford-to-lose-another-generation-to-youth-unemployment

What does "open the labour pool" mean?

 

If you're referring to freedom of movement, then that's been shown not to have a significant effect (if any effect) on unemployment. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Doing the opposite of what the UK have done for the past 40 years or so? 

Fixed it. 

[Anubis]

 

 

[Jairzinho]

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

14 hours ago, Scooby Dudek said:

I have it from a totally reliable source, Martin Daubney, that this is nothing to do with Brexit, but the the Covid restrictions, that are not necessary.

 

In a totally unrelated piece, eat out to help out did not help cause a Covid spike.

I know it's old fashioned but these farmers could try not abusing cheap foreign labour and pay a fair rate. They are subsidised enough money to do so.

 

 

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/modern-slavery-farm-raid-cornwall-1829164

 

 

 

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/modern-slavery-farm-family-hits-1193152

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

I know it's old fashioned but these farmers could try not abusing cheap foreign labour and pay a fair rate. They are subsidised enough money to do so.

 

 

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/modern-slavery-farm-raid-cornwall-1829164

 

 

 

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/modern-slavery-farm-family-hits-1193152

The Daily Heil readers' solution to the shortage of exploitable migrant labour is to exploit British workers: they don’t want bloody foreign slaves coming over here, taking our slaves' jobs.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

 

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/modern-slavery-farm-raid-cornwall-1829164

 

 

https://www.cornwalllive.com/news/cornwall-news/modern-slavery-farm-family-hits-1193152

Those are poor examples to choose to support your argument that the EU promotes and/or facilitates modern slavery.

 

Firstly, it looks like there was no slavery: a report was made, the Police intervened, investigated and resolved that nobody had broken any law.

 

Secondly, the workers were able to make a report to the Police and get a positive response precisely because (as EU citizens) they had a legal right to work here, with all the legal protections that entails. The key point about Brexit  - one of the main selling points during the Referendum  - is that it strips EU workers of those rights and protections. 

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Those are poor examples to choose to support your argument that the EU promotes and/or facilitates modern slavery.

 

Firstly, it looks like there was no slavery: a report was made, the Police intervened, investigated and resolved that nobody had broken any law.

 

Secondly, the workers were able to make a report to the Police and get a positive response precisely because (as EU citizens) they had a legal right to work here, with all the legal protections that entails. The key point about Brexit  - one of the main selling points during the Referendum  - is that it strips EU workers of those rights and protections. 

Keep burying your head in the sand Angry and remember when defending these landowners most of these farms are heavily subsidised and most of these workers are treated appallingly 

[Gnasher]

Employing overseas workers to toil on farms is legitimised slavery.  Many of the landowners are stinking rich.

 

https://unearthed.greenpeace.org/2017/06/30/rich-list-billionaires-scoop-millions-farm-subsidy-payments/

 

 

[No2]

4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Keep burying your head in the sand Angry and remember when defending these landowners most of these farms are heavily subsidised and most of these workers are treated appallingly 

They were heavily subsidised by the EU, now they will be heavily subsidised by their mates/themselves. Instead of using cheap labour from poor EU countries they will ship in cheaper labour from poorer countries in Africa, Asia and South America, they will house them like cattle and pay them colonial rates. This is the point made over and over that you just keep choosing to ignore. Leaving the EU won't improve Greek youth unemployment, it will enrich Tories land owners and make slaves of the worlds most vulnerable. 

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, No2 said:

They were heavily subsidised by the EU, now they will be heavily subsidised by their mates/themselves. Instead of using cheap labour from poor EU countries they will ship in cheaper labour from poorer countries in Africa, Asia and South America, they will house them like cattle and pay them colonial rates. This is the point made over and over that you just keep choosing to ignore. Leaving the EU won't improve Greek youth unemployment, it will enrich Tories land owners and make slaves of the worlds most vulnerable. 

The difference is when this government uses cheap/slave labour from abroad, which as you say will probably happen I will be just as offended as I have been of the use of cheap labour through the eu's exploitation of a vast workforce. I wont be turning the other cheek/ ignoring it/ pretending it doesn't happen etc. 

 

Have a rewind to the 1st lockdown when them poor Romanians were bundled into a chartered plane and flown into Britain during a pandemic to pick asparagus. Very little criticism was forthcoming.

[Gnasher]

18 minutes ago, No2 said:

They were heavily subsidised by the EU, now they will be heavily subsidised by their mates/themselves. Instead of using cheap labour from poor EU countries they will ship in cheaper labour from poorer countries in Africa, Asia and South America, they will house them like cattle and pay them colonial rates. This is the point made over and over that you just keep choosing to ignore. Leaving the EU won't improve Greek youth unemployment, it will enrich Tories land owners and make slaves of the worlds most vulnerable. 

Make slaves of them?? Do you really think they are not slaves now? Do you believe no slaves are being exploited in Britain and across the eu right now?

[Gnasher]

18 minutes ago, No2 said:

They were heavily subsidised by the EU, now they will be heavily subsidised by their mates/themselves. Instead of using cheap labour from poor EU countries they will ship in cheaper labour from poorer countries in Africa, Asia and South America, they will house them like cattle and pay them colonial rates. This is the point made over and over that you just keep choosing to ignore. Leaving the EU won't improve Greek youth unemployment, it will enrich Tories land owners and make slaves of the worlds most vulnerable. 

Make slaves of them?? Do you really think they are not slaves now? Do you believe no slaves are being exploited in Britain and across the eu right now?

[Gnasher]

18 minutes ago, No2 said:

They were heavily subsidised by the EU, now they will be heavily subsidised by their mates/themselves. Instead of using cheap labour from poor EU countries they will ship in cheaper labour from poorer countries in Africa, Asia and South America, they will house them like cattle and pay them colonial rates. This is the point made over and over that you just keep choosing to ignore. Leaving the EU won't improve Greek youth unemployment, it will enrich Tories land owners and make slaves of the worlds most vulnerable. 

Make slaves of them?? Do you really think they are not slaves now? Do you believe no slaves are being exploited in Britain and across the eu right now?

[Gnasher]

18 minutes ago, No2 said:

They were heavily subsidised by the EU, now they will be heavily subsidised by their mates/themselves. Instead of using cheap labour from poor EU countries they will ship in cheaper labour from poorer countries in Africa, Asia and South America, they will house them like cattle and pay them colonial rates. This is the point made over and over that you just keep choosing to ignore. Leaving the EU won't improve Greek youth unemployment, it will enrich Tories land owners and make slaves of the worlds most vulnerable. 

Make slaves of them?? Do you really think they are not slaves now? Do you believe no slaves are being exploited in Britain and across the eu right now?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

35 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Keep burying your head in the sand Angry and remember when defending these landowners most of these farms are heavily subsidised and most of these workers are treated appallingly 

Keep swerving the point, Gnash. 

 

Brexit strips migrant workers of their rights.

Stripping workers of rights creates the ideal conditions for modern slavery. 

[Gnasher]

Just now, AngryofTuebrook said:

Keep swerving the point, Gnash. 

 

Brexit strips migrant workers of their rights.

Stripping workers of rights creates the ideal conditions for modern slavery. 

What rights these poor fuckers have Angry? Whatever they were they were not worth having.

 

These farmers should have been in court for endangering life not being defended. 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-jobs-row-as-romanian-fruit-pickers-arrive-for-harvest-11974364

[Rushies tash]

11 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Make slaves of them?? Do you really think they are not slaves now? Do you believe no slaves are being exploited in Britain and across the eu right now?

That's kind of his point. The agriculture industry will always look for cheap seasonal labour. This will happen with or without the EU. You have to separate the political side of Europe (which nobody on here argues is perfect by any means) and the economic benefits of retaining a close trading relationship. I would understand an argument from you about the poor economic conditions in Romania that means for many, working on a farm over here is a better prospect than staying home. It's shitty, but I don't think they were bundled on a plane, they saw working here as a chance to send money home. There are laws that ensure they should be treated properly. If the farms break them (as in your Cornish paper article) then they should be dealt with. As I've also said, higher pay or not, you won't find many Brits willing to do what they do.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Make slaves of them?? Do you really think they are not slaves now?

At the time of that article, they were clearly not slaves.  You can argue that they were overworked and underpaid (and thereby exploited); but that's not the same as slavery.  Slavery is all that, plus coercion (often through threats of violence) and the removal of the freedom to leave.

 

Do you believe no slaves are being exploited in Britain and across the eu right now?

Modern slavery exists in every country in the world.  It is worst where migrant workers have fewest rights. Brexit removed rights from migrant workers and has thereby improved conditions for slavers.

.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

5 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

What rights these poor fuckers have Angry? Whatever they were they were not worth having.

 

These farmers should have been in court for endangering life not being defended. 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-jobs-row-as-romanian-fruit-pickers-arrive-for-harvest-11974364

They had the right to travel and work in 28 countries; now they have the right to travel and work in 27.  They also have the right to walk out of the job.

Slaves don't have that ability.