Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Brownie]

Can't believe this thread is still going.

 

The Terminator T-1000 of all threads.

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Do you think that all working people  are currently going about their business as usual? Or are you aware that millions of people have been stood down or furloughed or simply seen their work dry up? (Honestly, it's been on the news and everything.)

Honestly Angry answer me two  questions .please , and these questions are for everyone.

 

1 . Why if what you said is true about plenty of people  available to work are bosses flying in people from abroad?

 

2. Why if there is a problem with food rotting in the fields are the people in the link (and many manly more like them) not being employed to work on these farms?

 

 

Link again below 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/25/uk-farmers-fear-huge-labour-shortfall-despite-interest-in-land-army

 

 

No probs, no arguments  I would genuinely like to know the honest  answer to the above two questions.

[Pureblood]

10 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Can't believe this thread is still going.

 

The Terminator T-1000 of all threads.

It has become self-aware. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Try a few more facts to go with those ones.

 

There is currently a freakishly high demand for temporary jobs because of the lockdown. 

 

The harvesting season has barely started; peak season won't start for another 4-6 weeks.  When it does, there will be more jobs.

 

There are a load of Eastern Europeans who are skilled and experienced at working on UK farms.

 

Employers of seasonal workers would rather re-hire the people they know and trust, rather than recruit and train an entire new workforce. 

 

There is a national website being set up, to try to match applicants with jobs. Nobody can judge whether or not it works until it's up and running. 

 

Unemployed (or underemployed) people being frustrated by repeated rejection is a feature of life under the Tories  (and an experience most of us on here are probably familiar with). The Brexit vote hand3d untrammelled power to the Tories, so expect more of the same - not just down on the farm.

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Try a few more facts to go with those ones.

 

There is currently a freakishly high demand for temporary jobs because of the lockdown. 

 

The harvesting season has barely started; peak season won't start for another 4-6 weeks.  When it does, there will be more jobs.

 

There are a load of Eastern Europeans who are skilled and experienced at working on UK farms.

 

Employers of seasonal workers would rather re-hire the people they know and trust, rather than recruit and train an entire new workforce. 

 

There is a national website being set up, to try to match applicants with jobs. Nobody can judge whether or not it works until it's up and running. 

 

Unemployed (or underemployed) people being frustrated by repeated rejection is a feature of life under the Tories  (and an experience most of us on here are probably familiar with). The Brexit vote hand3d untrammelled power to the Tories, so expect more of the same - not just down on the farm.

You failed to answer one question. Says it all.

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Try a few more facts to go with those ones.

 

There is currently a freakishly high demand for temporary jobs because of the lockdown. 

Ok so why fly people in and why make a national issue about lack of labour and food rotting in the fields?  Dosnt make sense because its non sensicle. As the old saying goes if it smells like bullshit its probably full of shit.

5 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

 

The harvesting season has barely started; peak season won't start for another 4-6 weeks.  When it does, there will be more jobs.

Why turn down the applicant's who have asked for work, like those in the article and probably many many more.

5 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

 

There are a load of Eastern Europeans who are skilled and experienced at working on UK farms.

Oh do me a favour, are you really saying picking fuit is beyond British kids. It's not splitting the atom. Laughable.

5 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

 

Employers of seasonal workers would rather re-hire the people they know and trust, rather than recruit and train an entire new workforce. 

 

This you are 100% correct. They know these workers and they no they will accept adverse working conditions, they can be exploited.

5 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

There is a national website being set up, to try to match applicants with jobs. Nobody can judge whether or not it works until it's up and running. 

You sound like a government minister giving his reason for lack of ppe.  Let's wait and see? Do me a favour.

5 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

 

Unemployed (or underemployed) people being frustrated by repeated rejection is a feature of life under the Tories  (and an experience most of us on here are probably familiar with). The Brexit vote hand3d untrammelled power to the Tories, so expect more of the same - not just down on the farm.

 The just blame it on brexit line. Sigh.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

19 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

You failed to answer one question. Says it all.

Being accused of dodging questions by you!!!!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

34 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Honestly Angry answer me two  questions .please , and these questions are for everyone.

 

1 . Why if what you said is true about plenty of people  available to work are bosses flying in people from abroad?

 

2. Why if there is a problem with food rotting in the fields are the people in the link (and many manly more like them) not being employed to work on these farms?

 

 

Link again below 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/25/uk-farmers-fear-huge-labour-shortfall-despite-interest-in-land-army

 

 

No probs, no arguments  I would genuinely like to know the honest  answer to the above two questions.

Not sure why, but the site froze when I tried to post my reply to this.  

I took a screen shot though.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

15 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Ok so why fly people in and why make a national issue about lack of labour and food rotting in the fields?  Dosnt make sense because its non sensicle. As the old saying goes if it smells like bullshit its probably full of shit.

You seem to have great faith in free-market capitalism's ability to match supply with demand.  I don't.

Some farms are flying workers in from abroad.  Some are employing locally.  Some are wasting food because they have failed to hire people.  Some applicants can't find jobs.

This isn't hard to understand.

 

15 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Why turn down the applicant's who have asked for work, like those in the article and probably many many more.

The people turning down those applicants have no more vacancies at the moment.  Other farms have vacancies.  More vacancies will become available during the peak harvesting season.

15 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Oh do me a favour, are you really saying picking fuit is beyond British kids. It's not splitting the atom. Laughable.

Don't be a prick.  Nobody said it's "beyond British kids".  Whoever starts a job will need to be trained in how to do the job properly and safely.  Any employer will also want some confidence that the workers aren't going to twat about and slack off.  That's got fuck all to do with nationality.  If you had a seasonal business, would you hire people that had done a good job for you the previous year, or would you spend money on recruiting and training someone who may or may not be any good?

15 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

This you are 100% correct. They know these workers and they no they will accept adverse working conditions, they can be exploited.

They're not talking about a homogenous mass of poor, vulnerable people.  They're talking about experienced workers.  You might have contempt for the work they do, but it seems the farmers understand that it takes a bit of skill and effort.

 

15 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

You sound like a government minister giving his reason for lack of ppe.  Let's wait and see? Do me a favour.

Go fuck yourself.

If you bothered reading that link that you keep posting, you'd see that there's currently a problem with matching jobs to people.  They're trying to do something about that.  That's just another fact for you to add to your Poundshop-Rafa rant.

 

15 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 The just blame it on brexit line. Sigh.

Brexit has undoubtedly strengthened the hand of the worst of the hardline neoliberals in the Tory Government.  Let's see if you can answer a simple Yes/No question - Will this improve workers rights (on the farms or anywhere else)?

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

You seem to have great faith in free-market capitalism's ability to match supply with demand.  I don't.

Some farms are flying workers in from abroad.  Some are employing locally.  Some are wasting food because they have failed to hire people.  Some applicants can't find jobs.

This isn't hard to understand.

 

The people turning down those applicants have no more vacancies at the moment.  Other farms have vacancies.  More vacancies will become available during the peak harvesting season.

Don't be a prick.  Nobody said it's "beyond British kids".  Whoever starts a job will need to be trained in how to do the job properly and safely.  Any employer will also want some confidence that the workers aren't going to twat about and slack off.  That's got fuck all to do with nationality.  If you had a seasonal business, would you hire people that had done a good job for you the previous year, or would you spend money on recruiting and training someone who may or may not be any good?

They're not talking about a homogenous mass of poor, vulnerable people.  They're talking about experienced workers.  You might have contempt for the work they do, but it seems the farmers understand that it takes a bit of skill and effort.

 

Go fuck yourself.

If you bothered reading that link that you keep posting, you'd see that there's currently a problem with matching jobs to people.  They're trying to do something about that.  That's just another fact for you to add to your Poundshop-Rafa rant.

 

Brexit has undoubtedly strengthened the hand of the worst of the hardline neoliberals in the Tory Government.  Let's see if you can answer a simple Yes/No question - Will this improve workers rights (on the farms or anywhere else)?

Utter fucking shit.

[Bjornebye]

Gnasher going full Gnasher 

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Gnasher going full Gnasher 

Ok can I ask you a genuine question? On my question of why not hire British based labour. 

 

" they might not want to hire people who wont twat about and slack off"  angry quote above.

 

" would you bother hiring people who may or may not be any good" another angry observation from above.

 

Now lets get fucking real here, we are talking about picking fruit,  we have  all just witnessed British based workers do this ( and I mean white, black, Asian, young, old; Male and female )

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/25/uk-farmers-fear-huge-labour-shortfall-despite-interest-in-land-army

 

 

Now back to my question, do you really agree with the angry quotes above that seem to imply that British based workers cant be trained to pick fucking vegetables? 

 

If so tell me where I'm going wrong because I'm struggling with this a bit.

 

 

 

[TheHowieLama]

Why does Nash keep quoting an article that says there is 10k applicants but 90k needed? 

[Gnasher]

I ll tell you what I think. The temporary hospitals built on a whim by all colours and creeds is socialism in motion, a throwback to britain after the war.

 

The fruit picking fiasco is dirty rotten capitalism in all its glory fucking glory, it's not good its seedy and exploitative.

 

 

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Why does Nash keep quoting an article that says there is 10k applicants but 90k needed? 

Well the applicant's got turned down, word spreads quick its really no point applying for some people, waste of time. 

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Well the applicant's got turned down, word spreads quick its really no point applying for some people, waste of time. 

Is it a grapevine? 

[TheHowieLama]

6 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Well the applicant's got turned down, word spreads quick its really no point applying for some people, waste of time. 

Does it say that in the article?

[TheHowieLama]

3 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Is it a grapevine? 

Thats what I heard.

[Rico1304]

2 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

Thats what I heard.

I was wondering how you knew. 

[Gnasher]

Lovely 

 

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/shocking-extent-of-modern-slavery-in-agriculture-revealed

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

 the angry quotes above that seem to imply that British based workers cant be trained to pick fucking vegetables? 

Only a complete fucking idiot would honestly get that from anything I've written. 

[Bjornebye]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Ok can I ask you a genuine question? On my question of why not hire British based labour. 

 

" they might not want to hire people who wont twat about and slack off"  angry quote above.

 

" would you bother hiring people who may or may not be any good" another angry observation from above.

 

Now lets get fucking real here, we are talking about picking fruit,  we have  all just witnessed British based workers do this ( and I mean white, black, Asian, young, old; Male and female )

 

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/mar/25/uk-farmers-fear-huge-labour-shortfall-despite-interest-in-land-army

 

 

Now back to my question, do you really agree with the angry quotes above that seem to imply that British based workers cant be trained to pick fucking vegetables? 

 

If so tell me where I'm going wrong because I'm struggling with this a bit.

 

 

 

I’m just astonished at your levels of racism 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Lovely 

 

https://www.fwi.co.uk/news/shocking-extent-of-modern-slavery-in-agriculture-revealed

According to that article, in 2013 the Tory Government - under pressure from those who argued against migrant workers, on the basis that the jobs should go to British workers - ended a scheme which offered migrant workers some protection against exploitation. Predictably, this led to an increase in exploitation. 

 

Brexit will strip these workers of more rights and protections. Have a guess how that will pan out.

 

It's yet another example of a bad situation made worse by Brexit. 

 

For the millionth time, you don't improve workers' rights by reducing workers' rights. 

[Gnasher]

7 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

I’m just astonished at your levels of racism 

 To be honest I'm not astonished by your level of stupidity.

[Gnasher]

8 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Only a complete fucking idiot would honestly get that from anything I've written. 

Angry you seem to be condoning flying people across Europe to be exploited by the face of unscrupulous capitalism whilst the world is experiencing a pandemic and is battling climate change.