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I reckon a lot of youngsters these days are more active in politics than generations past. You get loads of old people who take the likes of the Mail as gospel and in General turn into miserable bastards and blame all their woes on the obvious targets which are rammed down their throats by said media. I don't see why those who have to pay taxes, adult prices on transport/cinema etc should be excluded from voting. The Onus should be on the political parties to win their trust and vote, not hinder that. I wouldn't expect many Tories to agree with this though, their party has a long record for ignoring the younger generations in most areas. Surely if they were to allow them to vote it would change that stance and benefit the country on a whole. 

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9 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Isn't that the same for any moves for changes in legislation? 

Not at all. I'm sure you dont believe that all Labours legislation would be to benefit themselves rather than the country

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11 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

That link keeps breaking, so all I can read is the headline - "Labour should think twice..." - and the date - June: before Conference, when Labour got plenty of thinking time and came out with a policy of being the only party to offer a realistic chance of leaving with a deal (after first confirming that that's what the people want).

 

I know you've mentioned, once or twice, that you want to leave the EU, but what do you think of Labour’s current Brexit policy?

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On 28/10/2019 at 15:05, lifetime fan said:


The SNP could only add single figure seats and risk losing being the third biggest party in Westminster. 
 

The libs will add seats but no where near as many as they want and risk giving the tories exactly the opposite of what they apparently so desperately want to avoid. 
 

A winter/Christmas election means a terrible turn out and only benefits the tories. 
 

Tories always vote tory. 

SNP will add seats though and take them off the Tories. The libs will take seats off the Tories. It doesn't need to be lots, the Tories don't have a majority today. If they lost 15 seats it would be enough to fuck them. 

 

And as for Tories only vote Tory, well with no brexit in place and farage shouting Johnson's deal is brexit it name only, I'm sure plenty of Tory voters will take their vote to the brexit party. Maybe not enough to win a seat, but enough to split a right wing vote in a constituency which may allow a labour or lib candidate to sneak through. 

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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/05/government-pushes-ahead-plans-festival-of-brexit?fbclid=IwAR3vwkCZi3pPeYcQ5snAcRMbBhUM4mOehvyZpHoqSd8kugOGOblZOOcMzLM

 

Government pushes ahead with plans for 'festival of Brexit'

Figures from arts institutions fear 2022 event could alienate remain-supporting visitors

 

Boris Johnson’s government is pressing ahead with a controversial post-Brexit festival of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, inherited from Theresa May, but which the new prime minister had been urged to shelve.

Dean Creamer, a delivery director for the 2022 Commonwealth Games in Birmingham, has been put in charge of planning for the £120m project – dubbed the “festival of Brexit” by critics – which is due to take place in 2022, the Guardian has learned.

However, figures from arts institutions have privately expressed concern about the project, which some say is likely to alienate remain-supporting visitors at museums and galleries that are expected to take part.

 

There had been previous warnings that the idea – announced by May in 2018 as an initiative that would “strengthen our precious union” – could inflame tensions in Northern Ireland, coming a year after the centenary of Irish partition and on the 100th anniversary of the start of the Irish civil war.

The festival was billed as a showcase for “the UK’s unique strengths in creativity and innovation” with echoes of the 1851 Great Exhibition and the 1951 festival of Britain.

A pledge was made to deliver “an exciting programme” of events on arts, culture, design and technology in the same year as the Queen’s platinum jubilee and to “amplify” key anniversary celebrations including the BBC’s 100th birthday and the 75th anniversary of the Edinburgh international and fringe festivals.

But one person in the museum sector – one of the stakeholders identified by government planners – said: “A lot of museums are quite wary of the whole thing. There’s also a sense that if it is a festival of Brexit then it turns into an ethical issue. Half of the audiences would be completely hostile to Brexit.”

In response to a freedom of information request by the Guardian, the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) said it had established a festival of Great Britain and Northern Ireland 2022 programme board, which met regularly. Members included representatives from the Treasury and Cabinet Office. A delivery body with a budget of £120m is being appointed.

Another senior figure in the culture sector said there had been talks with officials at the DCMS, but added: “Nothing has really flowed to the institutions who might be interested in it. There is infrastructure in place but everyone is waiting until the general election to see what happens next.”

They added that the person in charge of planning was Creamer, who has a track record of infrastructure projects.

The same source predicted: “The real challenge will be to get an artistic director. It really depends on how they seek to brand it. We expect that there would be a major effort to make it a consciously national and non-metropolitan endeavour.”

It is thought the idea of the festival will appeal to Johnson’s love of set-piece events such as the Olympic Games, which he was able to capitalise on during his time as mayor of London.

But the Lib Dem MP Layla Moran, the party’s spokesperson on DCMS matters, said: “I’m astounded that the government is going ahead with what is basically a Brexit festival despite everything that is going on. It is a complete waste of money at a time when funding cuts to our schools, hospitals and local services continue despite government announcements to the contrary.

“The Conservatives are trying to distract us with bread and circuses, but it won’t work.”

Lord Ashton of Hyde, who at the time was parliamentary under-secretary of state at the DCMS, told the House of Lords in March that the festival was an exciting opportunity to celebrate creativity and innovation across the UK, and the museum sector was expected to play an important role.

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You'd be excused for thinking this is satire, an Oxymoron if ever there was one. 

 

 

 

 

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On 05/11/2019 at 12:11, Pistonbroke said:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/05/government-pushes-ahead-plans-festival-of-brexit?fbclid=IwAR3vwkCZi3pPeYcQ5snAcRMbBhUM4mOehvyZpHoqSd8kugOGOblZOOcMzLM

 

Government pushes ahead with plans for 'festival of Brexit'

Figures from arts institutions fear 2022 event could alienate remain-supporting visitors

 

Boris Johnson’s government is pressing ahead with a controversial post-Brexit festival of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, inherited from Theresa May, but which the new prime minister had been urged to shelve.

Dean Creamer, a delivery director for the 2022 Commonwealth Games in Birmingham, has been put in charge of planning for the £120m project – dubbed the “festival of Brexit” by critics – which is due to take place in 2022, the Guardian has learned.

However, figures from arts institutions have privately expressed concern about the project, which some say is likely to alienate remain-supporting visitors at museums and galleries that are expected to take part.

 

There had been previous warnings that the idea – announced by May in 2018 as an initiative that would “strengthen our precious union” – could inflame tensions in Northern Ireland, coming a year after the centenary of Irish partition and on the 100th anniversary of the start of the Irish civil war.

The festival was billed as a showcase for “the UK’s unique strengths in creativity and innovation” with echoes of the 1851 Great Exhibition and the 1951 festival of Britain.

A pledge was made to deliver “an exciting programme” of events on arts, culture, design and technology in the same year as the Queen’s platinum jubilee and to “amplify” key anniversary celebrations including the BBC’s 100th birthday and the 75th anniversary of the Edinburgh international and fringe festivals.

But one person in the museum sector – one of the stakeholders identified by government planners – said: “A lot of museums are quite wary of the whole thing. There’s also a sense that if it is a festival of Brexit then it turns into an ethical issue. Half of the audiences would be completely hostile to Brexit.”

In response to a freedom of information request by the Guardian, the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS) said it had established a festival of Great Britain and Northern Ireland 2022 programme board, which met regularly. Members included representatives from the Treasury and Cabinet Office. A delivery body with a budget of £120m is being appointed.

Another senior figure in the culture sector said there had been talks with officials at the DCMS, but added: “Nothing has really flowed to the institutions who might be interested in it. There is infrastructure in place but everyone is waiting until the general election to see what happens next.”

They added that the person in charge of planning was Creamer, who has a track record of infrastructure projects.

The same source predicted: “The real challenge will be to get an artistic director. It really depends on how they seek to brand it. We expect that there would be a major effort to make it a consciously national and non-metropolitan endeavour.”

It is thought the idea of the festival will appeal to Johnson’s love of set-piece events such as the Olympic Games, which he was able to capitalise on during his time as mayor of London.

But the Lib Dem MP Layla Moran, the party’s spokesperson on DCMS matters, said: “I’m astounded that the government is going ahead with what is basically a Brexit festival despite everything that is going on. It is a complete waste of money at a time when funding cuts to our schools, hospitals and local services continue despite government announcements to the contrary.

“The Conservatives are trying to distract us with bread and circuses, but it won’t work.”

Lord Ashton of Hyde, who at the time was parliamentary under-secretary of state at the DCMS, told the House of Lords in March that the festival was an exciting opportunity to celebrate creativity and innovation across the UK, and the museum sector was expected to play an important role.

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You'd be excused for thinking this is satire, an Oxymoron if ever there was one. 

 

 

 

 

 

It will look like bonfire night in V For Vendetta.

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It’s pretty fucking dismal just now, but this made me laugh a hollow, bleak kind of laugh earlier. Gallows humour is better than no humour, I suppose.

 

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Say it ain’t so, one or two Brexit means Brexit zealots finally getting the tiniest inkling this heroic patriot and the likes of that other establishment stooge Daubney - who’ll 100% be writing his poundstretcher Hunter S. wank fantasy style ripping yarn about “My time as a bad boy at the vanguard of the great British independence movement” whenever this is all finally over - aren’t quite so wedded to the ideas they’ve been peddling them after all.

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Joking aside, Farage coming to be seen as a traitor by some of the Brexit faithful could be handy IF Johnson can be stopped winning this election and especially ahead of any second referendum. 

Especially those who are otherwise traditional Labour to their boots and now see him openly crawling around in the same gang bang squad as the public school honey monster and the orange gibbon, ready for all that fucking up the arse with a lubricated horse cock they have in store for us all.

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I see that Elon Musk has chosen Berlin to build his first European factory, stating Brexit would have been to much of a risk to choose the UK. Not going down well with leavers.  

 

Who would have thought that a company looking to expand to Europe and access the EU market would want to do so with a country in the EU. 

 

 

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9 hours ago, Pistonbroke said:

I see that Elon Musk has chosen Berlin to build his first European factory, stating Brexit would have been to much of a risk to choose the UK. Not going down well with leavers.  

 

Who would have thought that a company looking to expand to Europe and access the EU market would want to do so with a country in the EU. 

 

 

But... but....

 

What about the "Brexit Bonus"?

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/13/elon-musk-brexit-to-blame-for-building-tesla-gigafactory-in-germany.html

 

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