Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Environment bill being read for the second time which causes more than half of them to fuck off. Sums up the Uk Gov't nicely, all about holding onto/gaining power and fuck the important stuff. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

The amount of defeats that Boris has had would lead to the resignation of just about every PM, yet all the Tories are interested in is an early GE to try and hold onto power by attracting the Brexit voter whilst sweeping ten years of abject failure under the carpet. Let's not forget, it was all started by his school chum who fucked off thereafter. 

[Moo]

1 hour ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

The Lib Dems don't always refuse to work with Labour. For instance the Lib Dems are presently in government with Labour in the Welsh Assembly, and were in coalition with Labour in the Scottish Parliament between 1999 and 2007. And were prepared to back a suitable Labour candidate as PM for a putative interim government. That the Lib Dems are reluctant to make the least popular opposition leader in history the Prime Minister is a function of political reality rather than an unwillingness to work with Labour.

 

I am beyond certain that there will be no Tory/Lib Dem government following the next election.

What makes you so sure that the Lib Dems would not choose to go into coalition with the Conservatives? 

Or is your certainty due to other reasons, such as the Conservatives will make a majority without the LD's help? 

[Barrington Womble]

49 minutes ago, lifetime fan said:

A December election is a fucking stupid idea for all parties bar the tories. 
 

I really can’t see why the SNP and libs are pushing for it so hard. 

Because they would both get more seats and if nobody wins outright victory , they get a chance to into government. Neither will care if that is propping up Johnson. 

[lifetime fan]

1 minute ago, Barry Wom said:

Because they would both get more seats and if nobody wins outright victory , they get a chance to into government. Neither will care if that is propping up Johnson. 

The SNP could only add single figure seats and risk losing being the third biggest party in Westminster. 
 

The libs will add seats but no where near as many as they want and risk giving the tories exactly the opposite of what they apparently so desperately want to avoid. 
 

A winter/Christmas election means a terrible turn out and only benefits the tories. 
 

Tories always vote tory. 

[Duff Man]

When else are you going to have it, though? The extension's only till the end of January.

[Dr Nowt]

5 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Not surprisingly over 60% of labour seats are pro leave. The fact is leave outgunned remain in most  working class areas.

 

The reason is imo fairly simple, most working class areas are historically left wing so voters would be wary of EU privatisation, a free enterprise system in which immigrants are a commodity to boost profits ie fruit picking, warehouse, building work etc all data shows the poor lose out where widespread immigration occurs. Working class areas would obviously reject the EU austerity mantra. Working class areas would feel uneasy with the eu links to banks and nhs titp trade deals. The majority of working class are not racist so would reject a nhs worker from Ghana not having the same rights as workers from Hungary.

 

In summary working class areas are a far way to the left of posters in this thread.

Are you in any way capable of allowing the idea to penetrate your head that people may simply realise the EU will almost certainly be the least worst option out of them and what would immediately fill the vacuum after we leave?

 

Do you not understand there’s a massive percentage of working class people on here who understand that if we leave we’ll fall prey to something more malign?

 

I see you trot this same old stuff out about people being massively pro the EU on here and it amazes me this very simple distinction would need to be pointed out, but evidently it does.

 

Feast your eyes on this and let me know what you reckon it’ll do for the most vulnerable working class people.

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/nhs-drugs-cost-brexit-trade-deal-usa-820816

[AngryOfTuebrook]

6 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Not surprisingly over 60% of labour seats are pro leave. The fact is leave outgunned remain in most  working class areas.

 

The reason is imo fairly simple, most working class areas are historically left wing so voters would be wary of EU privatisation, a free enterprise system in which immigrants are a commodity to boost profits ie fruit picking, warehouse, building work etc all data shows the poor lose out where widespread immigration occurs. Working class areas would obviously reject the EU austerity mantra. Working class areas would feel uneasy with the eu links to banks and nhs titp trade deals. The majority of working class are not racist so would reject a nhs worker from Ghana not having the same rights as workers from Hungary.

 

In summary working class areas are a far way to the left of posters in this thread.

There is literally no evidence to support any of this.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

4 hours ago, lifetime fan said:

A December election is a fucking stupid idea for all parties bar the tories. 
 

I really can’t see why the SNP and libs are pushing for it so hard. 

Delay the election until after the worst of the Winter and let Rico do his thing with the gas supplies - Hey Presto, the Leave vote is halved.

[Captain Turdseye]

1 hour ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

Are you in any way capable of allowing the idea to penetrate your head that people may simply realise the EU will almost certainly be the least worst option out of them and what would immediately fill the vacuum after we leave?

 

Do you not understand there’s a massive percentage of working class people on here who understand that if we leave we’ll fall prey to something more malign?

 

I see you trot this same old stuff out about people being massively pro the EU on here and it amazes me this very simple distinction would need to be pointed out, but evidently it does.

 

Feast your eyes on this and let me know what you reckon it’ll do for the most vulnerable working class people.

 

https://inews.co.uk/news/health/nhs-drugs-cost-brexit-trade-deal-usa-820816

 

Medicine Shmedicine. We’ll be able to invent our own better ones when we’re not being held back by unelected bureaucrats. Red, white and blue medicines. 

[Fugitive]

The SNP will win more seats and then use that to push for a new independence referendum as they will claim it’s what the people of Scotland want and the reason the SNP won more seats.

[sir roger]

If they can get December 9th sorted out I think Labour would go for an election , but by the end of that week an awful lot of students will have gone home away from their allowed voting areas which would cost Labour & to a lesser extent the Lib Dems quite hard. The information that 2m new voters have registered over the past few months with the majority being under 34 might be a positive for non-Tory parties.

[TheHowieLama]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

There is literally no evidence to support any of this.

Are over 60% of Labour voters pro-leave?

[sir roger]

8 minutes ago, Fugitive said:

The SNP will win more seats and then use that to push for a new independence referendum as they will claim it’s what the people of Scotland want and the reason the SNP won more seats.

Probably with some validity if that transpires and they are the only Independence pushing party up there.

[Megadrive Man]

8 minutes ago, sir roger said:

 The information that 2m new voters have registered over the past few months with the majority being under 34 might be a positive for non-Tory parties.

A very strong positive for remain parties.

[Dr Nowt]

[Dr Nowt]

Children have glanced at the cunt once on the telly and known he’s not to be trusted.

 

The throbbing forehead vein on legs knows him for 20 years and believes he can be taken at his word.

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

8 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

Are over 60% of Labour voters pro-leave?

No.

 

It's true that 64% of constituencies that had a Labour MP in 2016 returned a majority for Leave... everything else in that post is pure delusional fantasy.

[ZonkoVille77]

14 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I am beyond certain that there will be no Tory/Lib Dem government following the next election.

 

We'll need to bookmark this one.

[sir roger]

1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

No.

 

It's true that 64% of constituencies that had a Labour MP in 2016 returned a majority for Leave... everything else in that post is pure delusional fantasy.

Most studies seem to show its about a 2 to 1 split towards remain , but as you allude to the big problem electorally is that the leavers' votes are in the main more important than the remainers due to geography.

[Bjornebye]

16 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

 

If this is what you genuinely think, rather than trolling/political posturing/electioneering, then you honestly must be insane.

How is it trolling???? Just because he is making a point about the Lib Dems you automatically shout trolling? Could you be more self absorbed ? Idiot 

[Dr Nowt]

16 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

How is it trolling???? Just because he is making a point about the Lib Dems you automatically shout trolling? Could you be more self absorbed ? Idiot 

He’s literally just listed the other things it could be than what he genuinely thinks, and said if it isn’t one of those other things and he genuinely thinks it, then he’s insane.

 

Don’t have to agree with his point, I for one will be believing they won’t prop the Tories up when I see it and not before, but it’s pretty clear to read that he hasn’t just said “you’re trolling”.

[Bjornebye]

Fair enough. 

 

The libs are still a twat of a party. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

 

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