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https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-parliament-supended-no-deal-queens-speech-john-bercow-a9082651.html

 

When Charles I arrived in the chamber of the House of Commons in January 1642, armed guards in tow, to arrest a group of MPs for treason, it was the speaker who stood in his way. Instead of giving up the so-called traitors, speaker William Lenthall rebuked the King and reasserted the power of the Commons, telling Charles, “I have neither eyes to see nor tongue to speak in this place but as this House is pleased to direct me.”

The struggle for power between executive and legislature is not a new one. But the possibility of John Bercow taking the lead in the battle to stop Brexit offers the prospect of a modern-day stand-off, every bit as compelling as the one that took place in the months before the Civil War. It’s not Jeremy Corbyn, Yvette Cooper or Ken Clarke who’s best-placed to stop Brexit, but Bercow himself.

 

It’s an opportunity that Bercow plans to exploit to the full. The reaction from Bercow today to Boris Johnson’s plan to hold a Queen’s Speech in mid-October, with parliament not sitting for a period of almost five weeks beforehand, was telling. He took time out from his holiday with his family to fire off a vicious message, saying that the PM’s plan is a “constitutional outrage” and an “offence against the democratic process”.

 

There was no need for this, of course. With a different person in the chair, you could expect the speaker to stay above the fray in such matters. Just as the Queen hasn’t knocked out a quick press release from Balmoral giving her two cents, so previous speakers would have kept quiet. Even if they did stick their oar in, other speakers might have given a more rounded view of where this planned prorogation sits in parliamentary precedent. Bercow could have pointed out that there is always a recess during September and October for party conferences; that the Queen’s Speech is long overdue; and that the PM’s plan will lead to the loss of just a handful of sitting days.

 

There was, however, no chance of any such approach. Bercow is someone who has always loved being the centre of attention. As his biographer, I should know. For him, supporting a cause means being the loudest voice in the room. When he was a Eurosceptic, Bercow was so fervent in his beliefs that he even vowed to carry on using French francs on his holidays, in protest at the introduction of the euro. Now he’s decided that Brexit needs to be stopped, his personality drives him, inexorably, to take up the fight more fiercely than anyone else.

 

Nor is there much that the government can do to stop him. As speaker, Bercow alone can decide what’s permitted by parliamentary precedent, and he’s shown himself willing to ignore precedent entirely and to tear up the rules when needed.

It’s also easily forgotten that Bercow’s speakership is in the end of days. In the chair since 2009, he’s already outlasted a promise to stand down after two parliaments, and was almost toppled by a bullying scandal last year. In a future general election, the Conservatives are likely to use this as an excuse to run a candidate against him in his Buckingham constituency: Bercow would almost certainly lose. He may have just weeks left in the job, and he’s in need of a legacy.

So now will be the time for Bercow to push the nuclear button. I’m sure he will bend parliamentary procedure – or rip it up, depending on your viewpoint – to allow MPs to pass legislation requiring Johnson to seek an extension to Article 50, using a beefed-up version of the Standing Order 24 procedure, allowing for emergency debates. If there’s a prospect of revoking Article 50 before 31 October, Bercow will ensure that there is time for such a law to pass. 

 

But today’s events bring a more compelling prospect still. When parliament takes its five-week break – assuming MPs don’t block this first – Bercow will relish the idea of leading a parliament in exile. He can play his final hand as speaker: opening up the doors of the Commons in the face of the prorogation, running his own chamber as an act of defiance against the government.

In doing so, we would face a constitutional crisis like no other seen in modern times, with a direct stand-off between the elected government on one side, and the speaker, standing for some (but by no means all), of the House of Commons on the other.

A speaker hell-bent on stopping Brexit, with little left to lose, will be a very dangerous opponent for Johnson. Only one of their political careers can survive this confrontation. The outcome of this battle may well determine whether the government will survive – and whether Brexit will happen at all.

Bobby Friedman is a qualified barrister and author of the biography of John Bercow, Bercow, Mr Speaker: Rowdy Living in the Tory Party

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1 minute ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

It’s just a bare video of her account. It speaks for itself as to what she feels she’s going through. As with anything I’d want to see the facts of the claim she’s been refused before being absolutist about that, but it’s direct eye witness testimony from someone 20 years in the country.

 

Do you not think it says anything that she feels this unwelcome and insecure in the country, on top of what I can well believe is a nightmarish process to navigate because let’s face it, even simple processes involving government agencies tend to be.

It does say something, definitely. I'm not disputing that racism exists, or that this woman feels persecuted because of the situation. I'm just saying there are procedures in place to protect her in this scenario. She needs to contact the Citizens Advice Bureau and apply for settler status if she hasn't already. There are also humanitarian lawyers that will take on her case if there's any issues with her claim. 

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If we had a general election now surely every single brexiter would vote Tory and remainer votes would be split between Labour and the rest. Seems brexit isn't the death of the Tories. 

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4 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

If we had a general election now surely every single brexiter would vote Tory and remainer votes would be split between Labour and the rest. Seems brexit isn't the death of the Tories. 

 

Not really, you are forgetting about the 'Brexit Party' and the likes of Farage who still hopes to become an MP off the back of taking away votes from both the Tories and Labour. 

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28 minutes ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

It’s just a bare video of her account. It speaks for itself as to what she feels she’s going through. As with anything I’d want to see the facts of the claim she’s been refused before being absolutist about that, but it’s direct eye witness testimony from someone 20 years in the country.

 

Do you not think it says anything that she feels this unwelcome and insecure in the country, on top of what I can well believe is a nightmarish process to navigate because let’s face it, even simple processes involving government agencies tend to be.

Also, is the same thing going to happen to UK citizens living and working abroad if there's no deal? I know the UK Home Office is a bunch of cunts made even worse by May's tenure, but what's to stop foreign equivalents treating our own citizens like shite if we're being twats?

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3 hours ago, Anubis said:

Won’t be a concern to New Britannia. In Brexit Britain vegans will be treated like the tree-hugging, EU favouring, hippie bastards they are. They’ll be rounded up, held in gulags and force-fed three week old donner meat in a forced recarnivorisation.

 

Gulags must mean Jezza's commie cult have been installed then, but it won't matter anyway because if they take me in thinking I'm vegan for buying veggie burgers, once it's known I'm a Green supporter Lucas will lead an SAS style mission to break me out and I'll be back at home playing computer games in no time.

 

That'll be after I've pretended I'm a woman of course because she'll have no interest in rescuing males.

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Boris will have a bunch of advisors keeping him up to date with the court case but he'll be taking none of it in, probably too busy sat on a couch in number 10 playing Donkey Kong 64 and eating cadbury's chomps.

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24 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

Well. 

 

 

 

 

 

There is a bonus at the end of the clip, Bozo walks out the wrong way and the narrator says "A battle of political wills and wits is underway".

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4 hours ago, Anubis said:

Won’t be a concern to New Britannia. In Brexit Britain vegans will be treated like the tree-hugging, EU favouring, hippie bastards they are. They’ll be rounded up, held in gulags and force-fed three week old donner meat in a forced recarnivorisation.

Finally a positive from all of this. 

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2 hours ago, Mudface said:

Priorities-

 

1) Me + my career

2) Tory party

A very distant 3) The country

That's pretty much all you need to know, and for some of the bastards the list doesn't even go to 3.

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2 hours ago, Denny Crane said:

From the Eton scholarship entrance exam. I think Chomsky has a phrase for such selection, disband Eton. 

 

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"I don't think it was necessary or moral because by 2040 we should've had enough renewables in place to make sure that situations like this didn't happen."

 

"Get out of this college at once filthy leftist sjw agenda driven hippy and spend the rest of your days mingling with the plebs."

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2 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

"I don't think it was necessary or moral because by 2040 we should've had enough renewables in place to make sure that situations like this didn't happen."

 

"Get out of this college at once filthy leftist sjw agenda driven hippy and spend the rest of your days mingling with the plebs."

He'd be sent for vigorous re-education, involving heavy fagging and beatings at whiff whaff. As long as daddy had the money of course.

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9 hours ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

Define luvvie in this case.

You posted a right on luvvie link lizzie, well done, bang on,  care to comment on the report bellow that immigration hurts the lowest paid and most vunerable in society most? 

 

 

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/

 

Where is your empaphy now?

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3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

You posted a right on luvvie link lizzie, well done, bang on,  care to comment on the report bellow that immigration hurts the lowest paid and most vunerable in society most? 

 

 

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/

 

Where is your empaphy now?

It’s fine to say you can’t and you just say things with no real idea of what they mean, scattergun.

 

No worries and thought so.

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1 minute ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

It’s fine to say you can’t and you just say things with no real idea of what they mean, scattergun.

 

No worries and thought so.

Oh i will tell you what i think a luvvie like you consists of, if thats what your post means.

 

 

Dont worry about that. I got loads of these...

 

 

 

1.   A luvvie is  a person who uses his university funded intelligence to sneer at those he feels are now below him.The person in question imo should try to use the gifts given to him/her to raise people up and respect other peoples lives and opinions, instead of acting a snotty nosed little cunt.

 

 

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1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

Oh i will tell you what i think a luvvie like you consists of, if thats what your post means.

 

 

Dont worry about that. I got loads of these...

 

 

 

1.   A luvvie is  a person who uses his university funded intelligence to sneer at those he feels are now below him.The person in question imo should try to use the gifts given to him/her to raise people up and respect other peoples lives and opinions, instead of acting a snotty nosed little cunt.

 

 

Snowflake.

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Lizzie is in my opinion the most humble and affable poster on this forum. It's a genuine honour to have him here. The last thing I'd ever accuse him of is being a Luvvie. The man is a gentleman of the highest order. 

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