Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[jimmycase]

Says who??  It will one presumes be the Tory's who are in the negotiating seat for such negotiations.  If they don't want to guarantee losing the next election then they won't agree to take more people unless we need those people.  

 

 

As for Dave's 'negotiations', well, whatever side you are going to argue for - Leave or Remain - make your arguments in a reasonable and honest manner.  However, anyone - ANYONE - who argues that what Cameron came back with fundamentally changes our relationship with the EU, as he promised he would do, is simply fucking lying to us and treating the people for fools.  It's utter bollocks.

 

For me the EU is a failed institution that had noble origins but ultimately took too much control over too many aspects of the lives of hundreds of millions of people.  It got greedy.

 

Spot on. I dont think immigration is a key issue though.

 

In the early days of the 'Common Market,' free movement of labour was sustainable. It might even still be sustainable in todays EU if it was just movement of labour ie you had a job to go to in another member state and not just the freedom to move around member states in the hope of a job as it is today.

 

We still wont have supremacy in determining our own laws, the ECJ will continue to trump our own Supreme Court. People say we should stay in the EU for workers protection. That'll be the same EU that prevent state intervention with aid then will it? The same EU that prevents intervention in our steel industry, our extinct ship building industry, our inshore and deep sea fishing industries? All those jobs protected by the EU being good for workers rights? Well, I guess it was good for some EU coutries workers, just not ours.

 

cameron's watered down concessions, and make no mistake, despite 'our dave's' comments they are severely watered down from what he wanted, will result in the UK becoming a 3rd class member of the EU.

 

As Ive said before, a strong sensible Labour Government can deliver all the workers rights and protection. We dont need the EU and for those and a myriad of other reasons, Im voting out!

[stringvest]

Boris is voting against it according to his piece of skirt at the BBC.  

[Barrington Womble]

Boris is voting against it according to his piece of skirt at the BBC.

Him and that fucking cunt gove are just looking at what gives them the best chance to be PM. They know labour are in a mess and think they can be re-elected no matter what happens between now and the next parliament. If the in campaign wins, Cameron remains PM then his cunty mate Osborne takes over, which makes Boris and goves chance of being PM zero or 10-15 year wait. However, if there's an out vote, the tories will throw Cameron to the wolves and elect a new führer. That gives gove and Boris their best chance. Self serving twats the lot of them.

[VladimirIlyich]

Spot on. I dont think immigration is a key issue though.

 

In the early days of the 'Common Market,' free movement of labour was sustainable. It might even still be sustainable in todays EU if it was just movement of labour ie you had a job to go to in another member state and not just the freedom to move around member states in the hope of a job as it is today.

 

We still wont have supremacy in determining our own laws, the ECJ will continue to trump our own Supreme Court. People say we should stay in the EU for workers protection. That'll be the same EU that prevent state intervention with aid then will it? The same EU that prevents intervention in our steel industry, our extinct ship building industry, our inshore and deep sea fishing industries? All those jobs protected by the EU being good for workers rights? Well, I guess it was good for some EU coutries workers, just not ours.

 

cameron's watered down concessions, and make no mistake, despite 'our dave's' comments they are severely watered down from what he wanted, will result in the UK becoming a 3rd class member of the EU.

 

As Ive said before, a strong sensible Labour Government can deliver all the workers rights and protection. We dont need the EU and for those and a myriad of other reasons, Im voting out!

We will be lucky to get any Labour government,let alone a 'strong' one. If we did and after they inevitably get kicked out,who will protect the workers(whats left of them) then?

[Nunavut Patrick]

What vote will bring the price of a pint down?

[stringvest]

Him and that fucking cunt gove are just looking at what gives them the best chance to be PM. They know labour are in a mess and think they can be re-elected no matter what happens between now and the next parliament. If the in campaign wins, Cameron remains PM then his cunty mate Osborne takes over, which makes Boris and goves chance of being PM zero or 10-15 year wait. However, if there's an out vote, the tories will throw Cameron to the wolves and elect a new führer. That gives gove and Boris their best chance. Self serving twats the lot of them.

 

Gove will be pissed off for that very reason.

[thompsonsnose]

I gained a additional 8 days a year holiday out the EU,thats good enough for me. More workers rights and sone sort of barrier against the tories having full power im in

So why does the leader of the Tories want to stay in?

[thompsonsnose]

Him and that fucking cunt gove are just looking at what gives them the best chance to be PM. They know labour are in a mess and think they can be re-elected no matter what happens between now and the next parliament. If the in campaign wins, Cameron remains PM then his cunty mate Osborne takes over, which makes Boris and goves chance of being PM zero or 10-15 year wait. However, if there's an out vote, the tories will throw Cameron to the wolves and elect a new führer. That gives gove and Boris their best chance. Self serving twats the lot of them.

Tory civil war and a brexit?

I'll drink to that.

[Nunavut Patrick]

So why does the leader of the Tories want to stay in?

I would guess because The City wanta to stay in.

 

Nothing like a period of uncertainty to send them bowler hat conservative suit wearing weapons to start flinging themselves into the Thames at 1703 GMT.

[Anubis]

From the Guardian comments section.

 

 

the media inside the M25 are having a mass orgasm the rest of the country does not not know what the fuss is about

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

So that's BoJo, Pob and IDS going against their party leader now.

 

When will we have Kuenssberg etc describing the Tories as a divided party in turmoil etc like we did over the Labour Trident disagreements?

[cloggypop]

Jim Davidson wants out.

[Lee909]

So why does the leader of the Tories want to stay in?

So why does Gove,IDS and Boris want out

[Barrington Womble]

Tory civil war and a brexit?

I'll drink to that.

I don't think they would. With the exception of one or two, they've always wanted out. The tories will be made up out of Europe, as will the sun reading cunts in the home counties who elect them.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

So that's BoJo, Pob and IDS going against their party leader now.

 

When will we have Kuenssberg etc describing the Tories as a divided party in turmoil etc like we did over the Labour Trident disagreements?

Any minute now...

 

[Strontium]

So that's BoJo, Pob and IDS going against their party leader now.

 

When will we have Kuenssberg etc describing the Tories as a divided party in turmoil etc like we did over the Labour Trident disagreements?

 

She's clearly avoiding the issue of splits in the Tory party, which is why these are her last 20 Tweets:

 

 

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 3h3 hours ago

Ouch! @nick_clegg: This is what you get with one party politics: the country's future reduced to uni chums arguing with each other.”

 

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 4h4 hours ago

Boris told the PM by text at 4.40 he was going to back Leave - guesses as to what he said ?

 

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 5h5 hours ago

Boris says he'll join @vote_leave but won't debate with the PM

 

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 5h5 hours ago

He said his concerns about sovereignty and democracy have led him to the decision and this will be the only chance we have to leave

 

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak 5h5 hours ago

Boris says he doesn't see how he had any other choice-denies it's about his leadership ambition (shock)

 

Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak  5h5 hours ago

Gang of six about to become Gang of seven

 

 Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak  5h5 hours ago

Boris Johnson expected any moment

 

 Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak  5h5 hours ago

But if you are following all of this, well worth watching Iain Duncan Smith's full interview, now all online here..  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35625694 …

 

 Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak  5h5 hours ago

Laura Kuenssberg Retweeted Gerard Lyons

and one of Boris' key advisers.....  Laura Kuenssberg added,

Gerard Lyons @DrGerardLyons

Am one of four guests discussing Brexit: 

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p03g9g4g …

 

 Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak  5h5 hours ago

Waiting for Boris is a spectator sport in North London this afternoon 

 

 Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak  6h6 hours ago

This is Boris a few weeks ago... Few lines in there will be hard to get out of http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/eureferendum/12145593/Voters-have-to-ask-Donald-Tusk-some-hard-questions-before-they-accept-his-EU-deal.html …

 

 Laura Kuenssberg Retweeted

 Vicki Young ‏@VickiYoung01  6h6 hours ago

You can come out now, Boris. We're all here! #EUreferendum 

 

 Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak  6h6 hours ago

Official announcement tonight

 

 Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak  6h6 hours ago

Boris WILL campaign to leave the EU -Huge boost for Out, big blow for number ten altho expected - more soon

 

 Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak  8h8 hours ago

If you're not doing normal things most people do on Sundays + waiting for Boris this might (!) keep you entertained http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35626143 …

 

 Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak  9h9 hours ago

IDS also reveals Cameron tried to get rest of EU to agree a brake on total number of EU migrants who could come to UK but got nowhere

 

 Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak  10h10 hours ago

IDS interview on @bbcnews now - will post link when online soon

 

 Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak  10h10 hours ago

IDS, serial Maastricht rebel, maintains Tories don't have to fall out and split over EU, it will be 'robust' but doesn't have to divide

 

 Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak  10h10 hours ago

In what he says is '1st time he's talked Europe in 10 yrs' he says it's a 'silly game' to pretend EU is anything other than political union

 

 Laura Kuenssberg ‏@bbclaurak  10h10 hours ago

IDS - we are more vulnerable to a Paris style attack if we stay in the EU + PM's deal would only make small difference to immigration

 

Oh, wait...

[jimmycase]

So why does Gove,IDS and Boris want out

 

Cos the EU's shit, probably.

[stringvest]

So why does Gove,IDS and Boris want out

 

Because once we're out those with the fingers in the pies will be able to drag employment and human rights laws back to the 1700s to ensure more lolly and less hassle for them.  

[Rico1304]

Because once we're out those with the fingers in the pies will be able to drag employment and human rights laws back to the 1700s to ensure more lolly and less hassle for them.

 

First hand experience of the 1700's will be invaluable!!!!

 

(This is my second age related gag of the day - sorry mate)

[stringvest]

First hand experience of the 1700's will be invaluable!!!!

 

(This is my second age related gag of the day - sorry mate)

 

that's alright.  Just when I think they can't get any more hilarious, you manage to Trump it.

[Rico1304]

that's alright.  Just when I think they can't get any more hilarious, you manage to Trump it.

I know, I make a shit joke, acknowledge its shit and apologise. Why not just not bother.

 

I think it's because I'm a cunt. I've got brown shoes on too!

[Rico1304]

And I miss the Trump.

[Nightcat]

So why does Gove,IDS and Boris want out

Because the UK Conservative Party wants and plans to survive in case the British electorate votes to leave the E.U.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

 

She's clearly avoiding the issue of splits in the Tory party, which is why these are her last 20 Tweets:

 

 

 

 

Oh, wait...

I thought you'd blocked me?

 

I didn't see any tweets about Tory turmoil etc though? Surely any idiot can tell the difference between factual based discussion of people holding different opinions and, on the other hand, dramatising a similar situation and talking about turmoil, in fighting etc?

 

Oh, wait...

[Jairzinho]

Laura Kuntberg is fair and balanced. You're just paranoid.