Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Gnasher]

On 19/08/2021 at 16:59, skend04 said:

Where is it a Tory line fucko?

 

The only person on this whole forum supporting the only Tory policy of the last 3 elections is you, you dickhead. I've asked you to tell us the employment rates where these food production factories are because filling jobs is a bit more complicated than simply paying more money. So, fucko, what is the employment rate in these areas?

Now this is a very strange one. Lots more posts/posters at the time took a similar line/opinion not just Skanky. Basically it's poor shaming.

 

Apparently filling jobs in run down areas is a more complicated? Why? Because these areas are blighted with high unemployment?

 

According to Skank its a lot more complicated for these billionaire bosses (and the owners of two sisters poultry factories are indeed billionaires) to fill these positions than simply " paying people more money"...

 

But  errr but why would the paying of people more money than peanuts in poor areas be a negative to finding yourself a constructive workforce?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Arniepie]

4 hours ago, Rushies tash said:

I don't imagine he's shocked about that, more that some pleb is questioning him about it.

James o brien pointed out before that even if it were true ,which it isn't,then the whole taking back control think is,unsurprisingly,bollocks 

[skend04]

Brexit is going well isn't it. Increasing interest rates, increasing inflation and a falling pound. Next up, recession.

[mattyq]

3 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Brexit is going well isn't it. Increasing interest rates, increasing inflation and a falling pound. Next up, recession.

18 month recession

We're fucked but at least we've got those lovely new black passports

[Gooch]

Are we actually pinning this on Brexit, really?

[Gnasher]

Yep high interests rates and the oncoming recession will just hit us, Europe and the rest of the world will be dandy.  

 

Must've missed the recent world events,

 

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-07-14/german-economy-is-moving-into-recession-deutsche-bank-says#xj4y7vzkg

 

 

Classic case of viewing every bad event through the prism of Brexit.

[mattyq]

5 minutes ago, Gooch said:

Are we actually pinning this on Brexit, really?

It's not the only reason, obviously, but it's a big part of it.

Are you saying that if we were still in the EU we'd be in the same state as we are now?

If you add big barriers to trade with your largest and closest market it's going to hurt badly... 4% of GDP badly

 

[Gnasher]

8 minutes ago, Gooch said:

Are we actually pinning this on Brexit, really?

Yep seems so.

[Pidge]

Brexit has a major impact on our resilience, but not as much as the continued mendacity of those in charge.

 

Getting them out is far more important than getting us back in.

[skend04]

10 minutes ago, Gooch said:

Are we actually pinning this on Brexit, really?

Brexit has given us a Tory government with an 80 seat majority who are now presiding over the current shitshow. So yeah, I'd say Brexit is one of the causes.

[Gooch]

1 minute ago, mattyq said:

It's not the only reason, obviously, but it's a big part of it.

Are you saying that if we were still in the EU we'd be in the same state as we are now?

Give or take yeah, Brexit would be way down on the list of reasons for the situation we are in.

 

* War in Ukraine

* The money printing during lockdown

* Having to raise rates to keep up with the federal reserve who by raising rates are devaluing the pound, increasing inflation

These are three of the main drivers for me and I don't see how Brexit has anything to do with them. It may have had some minor impact but thats hard to quantify with any certainty, and just seems to be peddling a narrative to cater for a certain audience to me.

[No2]

6 minutes ago, Gooch said:

Give or take yeah, Brexit would be way down on the list of reasons for the situation we are in.

 

* War in Ukraine

* The money printing during lockdown

* Having to raise rates to keep up with the federal reserve who by raising rates are devaluing the pound, increasing inflation

These are three of the main drivers for me and I don't see how Brexit has anything to do with them. It may have had some minor impact but thats hard to quantify with any certainty, and just seems to be peddling a narrative to cater for a certain audience to me.

Nearly every country in the EU is closer to Ukraine and Russia than the UK. They have felt the direct effects much more severely than the UK. Thats your comparison, not America. Measure inflation, interest rates etc against your nearest neighbours (who didn't cut ties with 27 of the closest friends).

 

[mattyq]

2 minutes ago, Gooch said:

Give or take yeah, Brexit would be way down on the list of reasons for the situation we are in.

 

* War in Ukraine

* The money printing during lockdown

* Having to raise rates to keep up with the federal reserve who by raising rates are devaluing the pound, increasing inflation

These are three of the main drivers for me and I don't see how Brexit has anything to do with them. It may have had some minor impact but thats hard to quantify with any certainty, and just seems to be peddling a narrative to cater for a certain audience to me.

The War is the main reason, granted

Number 2, really? Interesting view much pushed by the Telegraph and the ERG but when you look at the alternative...

Re the Federal Reserve... the £ crashed straight after Brexit nothing to do with the Fed. The £ has also fallen re the Euro and surely the biggest impact on Sterling is the trajectory of the UK economy? What currency is safer now the £ or the Euro?

[Mudface]

I just thank the fates every day that 52% of us decided to make things a lot more difficult for everyone else for no good reason.

[Gnasher]

30 minutes ago, Gooch said:

Give or take yeah, Brexit would be way down on the list of reasons for the situation we are in.

 

* War in Ukraine

* The money printing during lockdown

* Having to raise rates to keep up with the federal reserve who by raising rates are devaluing the pound, increasing inflation

These are three of the main drivers for me and I don't see how Brexit has anything to do with them. It may have had some minor impact but thats hard to quantify with any certainty, and just seems to be peddling a narrative to cater for a certain audience to me.

Good luck trying to talk sense into them. 

[Arniepie]

37 minutes ago, Gooch said:

Give or take yeah, Brexit would be way down on the list of reasons for the situation we are in.

 

* War in Ukraine

* The money printing during lockdown

* Having to raise rates to keep up with the federal reserve who by raising rates are devaluing the pound, increasing inflation

These are three of the main drivers for me and I don't see how Brexit has anything to do with them. It may have had some minor impact but thats hard to quantify with any certainty, and just seems to be peddling a narrative to cater for a certain audience to me.

Wasn't the economy flatlining before covid/the war?

The boe are now reporting we are heading for a full blown recession so presumably the likes of Germany and France will be on a worse position than us?

[Captain Willard]

44 minutes ago, Gooch said:

Give or take yeah, Brexit would be way down on the list of reasons for the situation we are in.

 

* War in Ukraine

* The money printing during lockdown

* Having to raise rates to keep up with the federal reserve who by raising rates are devaluing the pound, increasing inflation

These are three of the main drivers for me and I don't see how Brexit has anything to do with them. It may have had some minor impact but thats hard to quantify with any certainty, and just seems to be peddling a narrative to cater for a certain audience to me.

It’s going to be a constant in British politics for the next ten years. Everything bad that happens in the economy will be blamed on Brexit. 

[Gnasher]

25 minutes ago, Arniepie said:

Wasn't the economy flatlining before covid/the war?

The boe are now reporting we are heading for a full blown recession so presumably the likes of Germany and France will be on a worse position than us?

Germany are fucked and America are on very shakey ground.

 

To try to pin the problems of our inflation and interest rate rises on brexit is fucking absurd but the loons need their fix. Fucking mental.

[mattyq]

13 minutes ago, Captain Willard said:

It’s going to be a constant in British politics for the next ten years. Everything bad that happens in the economy will be blamed on Brexit. 

Massive shocks to the economy tend to have a lasting impact 

This isn't remotely noteworthy news

[bossy]

Regardless of how this present and continuing recession affects EU countries, Brexit is shit because it has taken away the opportunity for us to live, work, study and generally move around freely in 27 countries. Fucking idiotic protectionist, isolationist, nationalist nonsense. 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Captain Willard said:

It’s going to be a constant in British politics for the next ten years. Everything bad that happens in the economy will be blamed on Brexit. 

It certainly is. They can't help themselves. Probably ignore world events and blame the American downturn on Brexit.

 

 

https://www.npr.org/2022/07/28/1113649843/gdp-2q-economy-2022-recession-two-quarters

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, bossy said:

Regardless of how this present and continuing recession affects EU countries, Brexit is shit because it has taken away the opportunity for us to live, work, study and generally move around freely in 27 countries. Fucking idiotic protectionist, isolationist, nationalist nonsense. 

 

By "us" the luvvie dipstick means pompous middle class wankers like himself. 

 

The poor left working in agriculture/construction/hospitality for fucking pittance are not deemed worthy to enter his thoughts.

[bossy]

1 minute ago, Gnasher said:

 

By "us" the luvvie dipstick means pompous middle class wankers like himself. 

 

The poor left working in agriculture/construction/hospitality for fucking pittance are not deemed worthy to enter his thoughts.

Oh fuck off. I’m anything but middle class. 

[skend04]

23 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

By "us" the luvvie dipstick means pompous middle class wankers like himself. 

 

The poor left working in agriculture/construction/hospitality for fucking pittance are not deemed worthy to enter his thoughts.

Most the poor working in those industries weren't even allowed to vote you dunce. It might shock you in your little Bristol socialist coffee shop bubble but the working classes aren't exclusively Brits.

[Gnasher]

15 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Most the poor working in those industries weren't even allowed to vote you dunce. It might shock you in your little Bristol socialist coffee shop bubble but the working classes aren't exclusively Brits.

 

15 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Most the poor working in those industries weren't even allowed to vote you dunce. It might shock you in your little Bristol socialist coffee shop bubble but the working classes aren't exclusively Brits.

 

3 hours ago, skend04 said:

Brexit is going well isn't it. Increasing interest rates, increasing inflation and a falling pound. Next up, recession.

Oh dear.