Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 18/12/2021 at 23:13, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Gnash, working people do matter, which is why everyone who gives a fuck about them should oppose the Tory Brexit.

 

This is the way the twats who promoted Brexit - the twats who were always going to be in charge of the process - talk about it among themselves.

"The whole point of Brexit is radical supply side reform". In other words, privatisation, deregulation, lower taxes (matched by lower Government spending) and fewer rights for workers; that's what it's all about.

 

You keep farting on about the EU being a big Capitalist racket; you ain't seen nothing yet.

 

 

@Gnasher?

[Gnasher]

18 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

@Gnasher?

Sorry Angry, missed your post, Brexit is in the hands of the holder, in the wrong hands as now it can and probably will be used to accompany dangerous ideologicall ideas, as you've mentioned above.. its why I believe its dangerous to blame the event and not the people, ie if we keep blaming the mechanism of Brexit for all and sundry the actual bad ideas and philosophy will go unchallenged. Now imagine Brexit with a responsible Labour government who are willing to undertake a fair and grown up relationship with our European neighbours?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Sorry Angry, missed your post, Brexit is in the hands of the holder, in the wrong hands as now it can and probably will be used to accompany dangerous ideologicall ideas, as you've mentioned above.. its why I believe its dangerous to blame the event and not the people, ie if we keep blaming the mechanism of Brexit for all and sundry the actual bad ideas and philosophy will go unchallenged. Now imagine Brexit with a responsible Labour government who are willing to undertake a fair and grown up relationship with our European neighbours?

Brexit was never going to happen with a responsible Labour Government. You didn't vote in the Referendum, so you can imagine all you want, casting your imaginary vote under an imaginary Labour Government. Those of us who voted in the real world knew that the right wing of the Tory Party was doing this for their reasons and millions of us voted against it.

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

Brexit was never going to happen with a responsible Labour Government. You didn't vote in the Referendum, so you can imagine all you want, casting your imaginary vote under an imaginary Labour Government. Those of us who voted in the real world knew that the right wing of the Tory Party was doing this for their reasons and millions of us voted against it.

Well that's the government and not Brexit so your sort of agreeing with my point. 

 

Let's look at some facts, even with possibly the most incompetent government in history our leaving of the EU has helped us record record vacancies, above inflation wage rises and one of the lowest unemployment rates in Europe, have a glance at the youth unemployment rates in Spain, Italy, France.

 

 

[skend04]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/dec/20/polish-workers-uk-christmas-turkeys-brexit-covid

 

£2500 per month to prep turkeys. That's £42,000 per year. And still it takes a foreign workforce to put Christmas dinner on people's tables.

 

All these Brexiteers are taking the fucking piss if they aren't willing to take up these manual  jobs for the equivalent of £42k, £10k higher than the average wage. Lazy fucking cunts.

 

[Kepler-186]

Former young Lib Dem Truss’ road to Damascus conversion to zealot is complete.

 

 

[PestiRed]

8 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Instead of listening to the daily mail readers section let's look at the data.. the far right reform rent a gob candidate Martin Deubury in Nth Shropshire just got a measly 300 odd votes despite a multimillion pound funding campaign..the female Britain first leader lost her deposit in Glasgow the last time she put herself up for election, Nigel Farage has tried seven (7) times to get elected to parliament in this country,  seven times he's been rejected by the British public..these are real people, real voters, not bots from social media and the daily rag postbag. 

 

As for unemployment, Britain now has one of the lowest rates in Europe, far lower than France, Spain, Italy and on par with Germany. We all know people who lived through the hell of the eighties 3-4 million unemployment and we all understand the dangers of high unemployment.

 

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2021/dec/14/uk-unemployment-rate-falls-despite-end-of-job-furlough-scheme

You missed the bit where the real driver of the reduction in unemployment rates is the 0.9% increase in people becoming economically inactive since the pandemic started and therefore dropping out of the stats

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/november2021

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Main points

• July to September 2021 estimates show a continuing recovery in the labour market, with a quarterly increase in the employment rate, while the unemployment rate decreased, and the economic inactivity rate was largely unchanged.

• Total hours worked increased on the quarter with the relaxation of many coronavirus (COVID-19) restrictions.

• The UK employment rate was estimated at 75.4%, 1.1 percentage points lower than before the coronavirus pandemic (December 2019 to February 2020), but 0.4 percentage points higher than the previous quarter (April to June 2021).

• The UK unemployment rate was estimated at 4.3%, 0.3 percentage points higher than before the pandemic, but 0.5 percentage points lower than the previous quarter.

• The UK economic inactivity rate was estimated at 21.1%, 0.9 percentage points higher than before the pandemic, but largely unchanged on the quarter.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Unemployment figures aren't the indicator of economic success or failure that they once were.  It's tempting to assume that anyone who isn't counted as unemployed is doing fine.  Underemployment and in-work poverty give the lie to that. That's what comes of having neo-liberal fundamentalists in charge of the economy: the whole point of Brexit is to give those cunts more power.

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, PestiRed said:

You missed the bit where the real driver of the reduction in unemployment rates is the 0.9% increase in people becoming economically inactive since the pandemic started and therefore dropping out of the stats

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/employmentintheuk/november2021

 

 

Ive mentioned people choosing different lifestyle changes since the pandemic before on this thread, its true but by your own figures it would still make the UK one of the lowest unemployment countries in Europe, have a look at youth unemployment in Spain Italy France, frightening.. and for the people who still show the scars of trying to survive mass unemployment low unemployment is certainly nothing to be sniffed at, as are record vacancies and rising wages... We are witnessing the biggest transfer of Capital to Labour for over a generation and the fake Socialist/Labour goofs can't handle it. Their problem.

[Gnasher]

On 18/12/2021 at 20:12, Bruce Spanner said:

Did someone say Brexit three times in the mirror?

No they said; Spanner ; Bentley; Cunt.

[Gnasher]

23 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Oh yeah and no more forrigns taking all out jobs ! Get em out! 
 

 

Oh come on for fucks sake.

Britain's one or the most tolerant country's regarding religious/social/racial tolerance in the world.

 

Don't believe me, cast an eye on the runners and riders in the upcoming French elections, or go further east to Hungary. 

 

 

 

 

[Bjornebye]

18 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Oh come on for fucks sake.

Britain's one or the most tolerant country's regarding religious/social/racial tolerance in the world.

 

Don't believe me, cast an eye on the runners and riders in the upcoming French elections, or go further east to Hungary. 

 

 

 

 

I'm not arsed about other countries. We live in a country where a shit load of the population want to defund the RNLI for saving lives at sea. A huge if not the biggest reason for many brexit votes was the idea that they would "get em out". Give me 10 refugees escaping a war torn country over 1 native racist cunt any day of the week. 

[skend04]

I hate the word tolerant. Just says to me "I don't like you for who/what you are but I'm putting up with you". Can add it to expats, used for all the British immigrants dotted around the Costas. They're not expats, they're immigrants.

 

All just language to other people.

[Gnasher]

15 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I'm not arsed about other countries. We live in a country where a shit load of the population want to defund the RNLI for saving lives at sea. A huge if not the biggest reason for many brexit votes was the idea that they would "get em out". Give me 10 refugees escaping a war torn country over 1 native racist cunt any day of the week. 

 "A shit load of the population"  you're being ridiculous again, and why should racism only bother you on these shores? I didn't realise racism had boundaries, good job for you it does because you'd hate to see what's going on with the EU imposed borders in the east of Europe.

 

Anyway your post is Bollocks ... a shit load of the British population do NOT want to defund the RNL, they've received  record donations, but let's not let facts get in the way of slurring the nation as racist morons; instead of reading shit on twitter and bullshit on the daily mail site look at the actual voting figures, let's start from the latest back, let's look at Nth Shropshire...a brexit voting tory seat,  how many votes the Martin Deubury candidate get? How many 'defund the RNL and kick out the forrins (as you like to call them) get?  Dont bother looking it up because I can tell you, he got under 400.. 400 out of 38,000 votes cast.. so your whole argument holds little water.

 

Its the easiest thing in the world to go down your mate Ricos route of calling people racist at a whim..but that's your and his problem, not ours.

[Bjornebye]

9 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 "A shit load of the population"  you're being ridiculous again, and why should racism only bother you on these shores? I didn't realise racism had boundaries, good job for you it does because you'd hate to see what's going on with the EU imposed borders in the east of Europe.

 

Anyway your post is Bollocks ... a shit load of the British population do NOT want to defund the RNL, they've received  record donations, but let's not let facts get in the way of slurring the nation as racist morons; instead of reading shit on twitter and bullshit on the daily mail site look at the actual voting figures, let's start from the latest back, let's look at Nth Shropshire...a brexit voting tory seat,  how many votes the Martin Deubury candidate get? How many 'defund the RNL and kick out the forrins (as you like to call them) get?  Dont bother looking it up because I can tell you, he got under 400.. 400 out of 38,000 votes cast.. so your whole argument holds little water.

 

Its the easiest thing in the world to go down your mate Ricos route of calling people racist at a whim..but that's your and his problem, not ours.

I've read more than enough to know it's a shit load. Where I read it is irrelevant. 

 

Let's look at the voting figures. Brexit won. The Tories then got into power with the tag-line "get Brexit Done". 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

10 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

I've read more than enough to know it's a shit load. Where I read it is irrelevant. 

 

Let's look at the voting figures. Brexit won. The Tories then got into power with the tag-line "get Brexit Done". 

 

 

 

You're getting Brexit mixed up with racism.

[cloggypop]

7 hours ago, skend04 said:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/dec/20/polish-workers-uk-christmas-turkeys-brexit-covid

 

£2500 per month to prep turkeys. That's £2500 per year.

Fixed

[skend04]

4 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Fixed

Damn, am I missing words again??

 

Should have added pro rata. This is proper brain fog from Covid or the jabs. (Let's post in the alt 'rona thread now).

[Gnasher]

11 hours ago, skend04 said:

Damn, am I missing words again??

 

Should have added pro rata. This is proper brain fog from Covid or the jabs. (Let's post in the alt 'rona thread now).

 

Nah you knew exactly what you were doing, you were seizing on a opportunity to give a kicking to people who are less fortunate than you, it's what you and a few of your mates on here like to do, relentlessly. It's fucking tiresome, at least Rico dosn't dress himself up as anything other than a right wing cunt..you meanwhile..

[skend04]

43 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Nah you knew exactly what you were doing, you were seizing on a opportunity to give a kicking to people who are less fortunate than you, it's what you and a few of your mates on here like to do, relentlessly. It's fucking tiresome, at least Rico dosn't dress himself up as anything other than a right wing cunt..you meanwhile..

£19/hr to prep turkeys and still it's taken Polish workers to do the work. I'm kicking no one, I'm asking why those that wanted these jobs back back aren't willing to work for £19/hr, double the minimum and living wage?

 

Apparently the likes of my grandparents and parents stole these jobs, and now you've got them back people still don't want to do them, for £19/hr!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

13 hours ago, Gnasher said:

You're getting Brexit mixed up with racism.

It's easily done.

 

As I've said all along, not everyone who supports Brexit is racist, but every racist supports Brexit.

[Gnasher]

32 minutes ago, skend04 said:

£19/hr to prep turkeys and still it's taken Polish workers to do the work. I'm kicking no one, I'm asking why those that wanted these jobs back back aren't willing to work for £19/hr, double the minimum and living wage?

 

Apparently the likes of my grandparents and parents stole these jobs, and now you've got them back people still don't want to do them, for £19/hr!

Gawd, yeah its the feckless working class again, the boys are lazy cunts and the girls are fucking worse,

 

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-called-working-class-20981604.amp

 

 

[skend04]

Just now, Gnasher said:

Gawd, yeah its the feckless working class again, the boys are lazy cunts and the girls are fucking worse,

 

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-called-working-class-20981604.amp

 

 

So you can't tell me why people won't work for £19/hr. Good to know.

[Captain Willard]

17 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Gawd, yeah its the feckless working class again, the boys are lazy cunts and the girls are fucking worse,

 

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/boris-johnson-called-working-class-20981604.amp

 

 

The owner of a turkey farm was on the news last night explaining this phenomenon. He said it’s 4 - 6 weeks work at most and all the economically active locals (the farm was in Essex) already have full time jobs so won’t give them up for 6 weeks work irrespective of the rate. Obvious really.