Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Gnasher]

5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

The cost of that watch could pay the annual salary of a retail worker 

The watch is irrelevant what Mason says is relevant to every low to mid payed worker in this country.

 

 

[Bjornebye]

6 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The watch is irrelevant what Mason says is relevant to every low to mid payed worker in this country.

 

 

Oh fuck off. 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

1 hour ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

This is a good source of stats on UK exports :

UK trade - Office for National Statistics (ons.gov.uk)

 

If we compare April 19 (pre pandemic) to April 21 (post pandemic in the UK) these are the figures :

 

EU exports : April 19 = £11.9 billion, April 21 = £11.4 billion  

Non EU exports : April 19 £13.5 billon, April 21 = £12.3 billion                                                                                 

Both sets of numbers down on the April 19 equivalent but only by 6% which is very low considering some of our biggest export markets are still in some form of lockdown.

UK/EU exports down by 4%.  

Not quite the catastrophe predicted. 

Hmmm. 

There's a caveat here, at some point we'll know what it is.

 

Not quite the catastrophe?  What, the pandemic? 

[Colonel Bumcunt]

51 minutes ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

No project Fear. We were told there would be food and medicine shortages after Brexit and trade with the EU would massively decline. That hasn’t happened. I think the world or maybe just this forum would be a much nicer place if people conceded that they got things wrong sometimes. I was a remainer, I thought it would be disastrous mistake and so far, it hasn’t. 

But there are fruit and veg shortages, hence the gaps in shelves.   

As for medicine, it was never a case of problems with getting hold of paracetamol, it was niche drugs and I have no idea if that came to pass or was mitigated.  

And then there's fish...

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1451341/Brexit-news-fishing-latest-annual-quota-negotiations-eu-trade-deal/amp&ved=2ahUKEwiAhevni6TxAhXJPsAKHdzvDBMQ0PADegQIDhAB&usg=AOvVaw1ourEfAWZ-FGOTxEebQBYO&ampcf=1

[Bruce Spanner]

 

 

 

April was a tough month...

 

The YOY comparison is misleading as the UK, and several other countries, were in their full first lockdown by this point so trade is distorted.

 

 

[A Red]

Me reading this thread 

 

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

1 hour ago, A Red said:

Me reading this thread 

 

 

 

 

Events, Dear Boy. Events.

[Bruce Spanner]

5 hours ago, Bjornebye said:

Oh fuck off. 

 

Paul Mason, the lauded 'commie cunt' economist, asking for wage increases and them actually happening are not part of the official Brexit magic policy as far as I know, sadly.

 

Happy to be proven wrong though.

[Colonel Bumcunt]

3 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

 

 

April was a tough month...

 

The YOY comparison is misleading as the UK, and several other countries, were in their full first lockdown by this point so trade is distorted.

 

 

Yeah, I should have known that someone was trying to pull a fast one, just disappointed it was the ONS. 

[Bruce Spanner]

2 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

Yeah, I should have known that someone was trying to pull a fast one, just disappointed it was the ONS. 

This is just the full data set from the ONS extrapolated, they did this, but with gov.uk they are led by ministers, though it should be objective.
 

As always the truth lies in that that’s obscured.

[Pureblood]

13 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

As always the truth lies in that that’s obscured.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Or is it just the landowners we are allowed to be concerned about?

Who do you imagine is concerned about landowners?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Then so is Paul Mason Channel 4

 

 

 

 

He"s saying that workers deserve a pay rise.

 

That's really not the same as pretending that Brexit will automatically generate a pay rise.

[Gnasher]

11 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 

Paul Mason, the lauded 'commie cunt' economist, asking for wage increases and them actually happening are not part of the official Brexit magic policy as far as I know, sadly.

 

Happy to be proven wrong though.

Ah shoot the messenger time. I think Stig was more disgusted about the fucker with the expensive watch on the front of the telegraph, he's right it's an overpriced load of shit as is Paul Mason right might upset a few but the low paid will/are doing well out of this labour shortage especially in the construction and service industry.

 

 

Even white collar/professional salaries are on the up.

 

https://www.robertwalters.co.uk/news/UK-firms-shrug-off-brexit.html

[Gnasher]

20 hours ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

No it isn't. We've been through this.

I think you'll find it is Angry..

 

https://www.business-live.co.uk/economic-development/brexit-causes-workforce-shortage-wage-17085881

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Colonel Kurtz said:

Anyone who supports the EU. 

Well, there's your problem.

 

If you start from a false premise, everything that follows will be wrong. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

James Dyson campaigned for Brexit. Jeremy Corbyn campaigned for Remain. 

 

Apparently, one of these is a proper Socialist and the other is on the side of the landowners.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36505735

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

24 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Even white collar/professional salaries are on the up.

 

https://www.robertwalters.co.uk/news/UK-firms-shrug-off-brexit.html

That link is a prediction for 2020. Unsurprisingly, it never happened. 

 

https://www.hrmagazine.co.uk/articles/pay-rises-and-bonuses-will-be-sparse-for-white-collar-workers/

[Gnasher]

15 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

That link is a prediction for 2020. Unsurprisingly, it never happened. 

 

https://www.hrmagazine.co.uk/articles/pay-rises-and-bonuses-will-be-sparse-for-white-collar-workers/

Sparse but still a rise, anyway all evidence shows wage increases for mainly low paid workers. The best news is firms having to train more apprenticeship workers, the wage increases may indeed be temporary (although it doesn't seem that way at mo) but these apprenticeships are real and they are long term and are absolute game changers for thousands of kids throughout the country.

 

41% of firms looking to increase skills of workers, 16% undertaking more apprenticeships... most of these kids are working class traditional Labour voters Angry ffs, not multi millionaire land owners down Surrey.

 

http://www.infrastructure-intelligence.com/article/feb-2021/citb-finds-jobs-boost-british-workers-post-brexit-construction

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

We're not going to agree on this. You're leaping on every report of anything that looks positive as proof that Brexit is a roaring success; I'm waiting for the longer-term, post-pandemic impacts of Brexit to become evident before I break out the bunting. We could carry on for ages, but there's really no point.

 

I'm glad some workers are getting a much-needed pay rise. I'd be happier if I thought it was permanent. 

[Gnasher]

40 minutes ago, AngryOfTuebrook said:

We're not going to agree on this. You're leaping on every report of anything that looks positive as proof that Brexit is a roaring success; I'm waiting for the longer-term, post-pandemic impacts of Brexit to become evident before I break out the bunting. We could carry on for ages, but there's really no point.

 

I'm glad some workers are getting a much-needed pay rise. I'd be happier if I thought it was permanent. 

I notice you ignored the main point/plus of the kids getting more apprenticeships, not your thing? 

[Gnasher]

Anyone? Sold for £300 on Facebook and Mumsnet.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-leeds-46814527

[Bruce Spanner]

First they came for the fishermen and I did not speak because I was not a fishermen.

Then they came for the farmers....

 

Now steel.

 

'The government was on Saturday night accused of dealing a hammer blow to the struggling British steel industry in the name of Brexit and free trade, as a fresh political row blew up over plans to allow more cheap foreign imports into the UK.

 

Several Tory MPs in “red wall” seats, backed by the Labour party and steel industry leaders, are furious that a government body has officially recommended that protections inherited from the EU to safeguard UK producers be ended imminently by the government.

 

On Monday Labour will stage a Commons debate and vote on the issue to try to kill off the plans, hoping to win Tory backing from backbenchers who have voiced their anger at the harm more cheap imports would do to their steel-producing areas.

 

Referring to the recent recommendation by the Trade Remedies Authority (TRA) – an arm’s-length body that operates in the Department for International Trade – Gareth Stace, director general of UK Steel, which represents the industry, said the fact that the EU had just renewed its protections on Friday meant the UK steel industry would be even more exposed if ministers acted on official advice. “The TRA’s decision to terminate steel safeguards for half of the product categories exposes the UK’s steel sector to uncontrolled surges in imports and is a hammer blow.”

 

Stace added: “The UK government is squandering the opportunity to make Brexit work for domestic industry and is letting an arm’s length body harm the British steel sector, not support it. We want to work with the government to level up Britain, instead they are levelling down our steel sector.”

 

The shadow business secretary, Ed Miliband, said: “The significance of this decision for our steel industry cannot be overstated. UK Steel has described the government’s proposal as ‘madness’, and ministers must listen. If the government slashes import protection, it risks opening the floodgates to cheap steel imports, undercutting British steel.

 

“We should be using every tool at our disposal to support our steel industry yet the government is pursuing the opposite course. This is the opposite of what the government promised they would do after Brexit.”'

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/20/brexit-madness-will-wreck-uk-steel-industry-tories-warned

[skend04]

15 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

First they came for the fishermen and I did not speak because I was not a fishermen.

Then they came for the farmers....

 

Now steel.

 

'The government was on Saturday night accused of dealing a hammer blow to the struggling British steel industry in the name of Brexit and free trade, as a fresh political row blew up over plans to allow more cheap foreign imports into the UK.

 

Several Tory MPs in “red wall” seats, backed by the Labour party and steel industry leaders, are furious that a government body has officially recommended that protections inherited from the EU to safeguard UK producers be ended imminently by the government.

 

On Monday Labour will stage a Commons debate and vote on the issue to try to kill off the plans, hoping to win Tory backing from backbenchers who have voiced their anger at the harm more cheap imports would do to their steel-producing areas.

 

Referring to the recent recommendation by the Trade Remedies Authority (TRA) – an arm’s-length body that operates in the Department for International Trade – Gareth Stace, director general of UK Steel, which represents the industry, said the fact that the EU had just renewed its protections on Friday meant the UK steel industry would be even more exposed if ministers acted on official advice. “The TRA’s decision to terminate steel safeguards for half of the product categories exposes the UK’s steel sector to uncontrolled surges in imports and is a hammer blow.”

 

Stace added: “The UK government is squandering the opportunity to make Brexit work for domestic industry and is letting an arm’s length body harm the British steel sector, not support it. We want to work with the government to level up Britain, instead they are levelling down our steel sector.”

 

The shadow business secretary, Ed Miliband, said: “The significance of this decision for our steel industry cannot be overstated. UK Steel has described the government’s proposal as ‘madness’, and ministers must listen. If the government slashes import protection, it risks opening the floodgates to cheap steel imports, undercutting British steel.

 

“We should be using every tool at our disposal to support our steel industry yet the government is pursuing the opposite course. This is the opposite of what the government promised they would do after Brexit.”'

 

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jun/20/brexit-madness-will-wreck-uk-steel-industry-tories-warned

Just waiting for the positive spin from Gnash or how CAP has kept steel prices high.

[Gnasher]