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Should the UK remain a member of the EU


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  1. 1. Should the UK remain a member of the EU

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1 hour ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

This is the point where Gnash reminds us that workers' rights weren't handed to us by the EU, but were won by the working class through centuries of struggle: therefore, we shouldn't worry about losing loads of rights, because we can just start a long struggle to regain them. Or something. 

But nearly all our rights were indeed won before we entered the eu Angry, not an opinion that's a fact. 

 

Working conditions in today's Britain are fucking awful now even in the eu, look at the conditions in the sweatshops in the Midlands, youngsters on zero hour contracts or overseas slaves picking vegetables. 

 

If a tory government wants to take away workers rights they should be made to understand by unions, workers, the labour party and the general public that their proposals will be opposed and they can use the excuse of blaming the European union. They are out in the open.

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4 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

But nearly all our rights were indeed won before we entered the eu Angry, not an opinion that's a fact. 

 

Working conditions in today's Britain are fucking awful now even in the eu, look at the conditions in the sweatshops in the Midlands, youngsters on zero hour contracts or overseas slaves picking vegetables. 

 

If a tory government wants to take away workers rights they should be made to understand by unions, workers, the labour party and the general public that their proposals will be opposed and they can use the excuse of blaming the European union. They are out in the open.

Handily for the government, there will be alot of people out of work, signing up to do their old job with a new contract. 

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1 minute ago, Rushies tash said:

Handily for the government, there will be alot of people out of work, signing up to do their old job with a new contract. 

True that looks inevitable unfortunately. However the government can no longer hide behind the eu so high unemployment should rest firmly on this governments shoulders.  

 

They promised better times outside the eu so it should be a case of the people saying go on over to you.

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1 minute ago, No2 said:

@Gnasher who do think is more likely to get a handle on zero hour contracts? The EU or a Tory government?

The eu obviously. My point is the government won it now the government owns it, it's out in the open now. The old saying of give a fool enough rope springs to mind with this lot 

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You underestimate the ability for the population of this country to be utter cunts. You only have to see the reactions to unions pressing for greater protections -

"I don't get sick pay so why should they" 

"They're lucky to have a pension, what are they moaning about"

"If they don't like that job, they should get another"

Etc.

 

Cunts.

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38 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

But nearly all our rights were indeed won before we entered the eu Angry, not an opinion that's a fact. 

 

Working conditions in today's Britain are fucking awful now even in the eu, look at the conditions in the sweatshops in the Midlands, youngsters on zero hour contracts or overseas slaves picking vegetables. 

 

If a tory government wants to take away workers rights they should be made to understand by unions, workers, the labour party and the general public that their proposals will be opposed and they can use the excuse of blaming the European union. They are out in the open.

They never used the excuse of blaming the EU for UK workers having the worst rights in the EU.  They specifically negotiated opt-outs, to ensure we had worse rights. There was never any doubt that they would have attacked our rights even more if they weren't held back by the minimum standards imposed at EU level. 

 

The bottom line is that Brexit means that UK workers have lost rights and protections and have gained fuck all in return. 

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37 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

However the government can no longer hide behind the eu 

When did any UK Government do this?

 

EU standards have always been legal minimum standards: every Member State has the right to legislate for higher standards. UK governments have consistently chosen not to do so.

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49 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The eu obviously. My point is the government won it now the government owns it, it's out in the open now. The old saying of give a fool enough rope springs to mind with this lot 

Oh yes.

I expect the S*n, Mail, Express, LBC, BBC, etc to start shining the harsh cold light of truth on the Government...

... any...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... minute...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... now!

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15 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Oh yes.

I expect the S*n, Mail, Express, LBC, BBC, etc to start shining the harsh cold light of truth on the Government...

... any...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... minute...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

... now!

Why should we believe the papers you mentioned would do that? Who said they would do that? Nobody. When have they ever done that? I'm not sure of your point.

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34 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

When did any UK Government do this?

 

Oh come on angry for fuvks sake, they've done it for years. Got to have a bogey man. I shouldn't have to remind you of this slag.. but you've made me 

 

 

Thatcher. No no no speech.

 

Was going to put up clip but not fair to let others rather yourself see her face 

34 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

 

EU standards have always been legal minimum standards: every Member State has the right to legislate for higher standards. UK governments have consistently chosen not to do so.

 

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Of course its interesting that Thatcher never once tried to leave Europe although with her majority she could  easily have pulled out whilst Labour had eu withdrawal in its manifesto. 

 

The eu is more in line with the free market policy endorsed by Thatcher than the Social Democratic mandate put forward by Foot, Benn, Shaw, Smith and Corbyn.

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8 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Of course its interesting that Thatcher never once tried to leave Europe although with her majority she could  easily have pulled out whilst Labour had eu withdrawal in its manifesto. 

 

The eu is more in line with the free market policy endorsed by Thatcher than the Social Democratic mandate put forward by Foot, Benn, Shaw, Smith and Corbyn.

Did they achieve much in their political careers for the populace or the country?

 

Two letter answer beginning with N and ending with O.

 

It's really strange to keep quoting politicians who have at best done very little when you try and talk about the EU. Of which we're no longer a part of 

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12 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Did they achieve much in their political careers for the populace or the country?

 

Two letter answer beginning with N and ending with O.

 

It's really strange to keep quoting politicians who have at best done very little when you try and talk about the EU. Of which we're no longer a part of 

Who? Thatcher was prime minister for a fucking long time unfortunately. In that period Britain never once looked like leaving the eu. 

 

In that period Britain experienced record three million plus unemployment. Do you not think Britain would have been better served out of the eu under a labour government than in the eu under a Thatcher premiership that brought misery and squalor?

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37 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Some were, not all. Were the Romanian farm workers flown in on charter planes at the start of the pandemic illegal Angry?

No. That's why I never said they were.

 

Modern slavery is illegal and everyone who knows anything about the subject knows that giving migrant workers rights is key to fighting modern slavery and people trafficking. Leaving the EU takes rights away from migrant workers.  You have drawn your own conclusion from these facts, but it's anybody's guess how you got there.

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35 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Oh come on angry for fuvks sake, they've done it for years. Got to have a bogey man. I shouldn't have to remind you of this slag.. but you've made me 

 

 

Thatcher. No no no speech.

 

Was going to put up clip but not fair to let others rather yourself see her face 

 

What the actual fuck?

 

Did you just claim that Thatcher gave a speech saying that she wanted to improve workers' rights but the EU were stopping her?

 

Please. Post that link!

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9 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Do you not think Britain would have been better served out of the eu under a labour government than in the eu under a Thatcher premiership that brought misery and squalor?

Britain would have been better served under a Labour Government and in the EU. 

Always.

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