Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Code]

When people are starting to fly again the queues will be absolutely horrible at arrival in the UK. 

[Bruce Spanner]

6 minutes ago, Code said:

When people are starting to fly again the queues will be absolutely horrible at arrival in the UK. 

Yeah, given how bad Heathrow and Gatwick currently are there’s gonna be a fair few choosing Paris, Berlin, Madrid, Stavanger, Milan or Lisbon instead of London and I completely get it.

 

The rest of the UK will take a hit as well. 

 

Stupid fucking idea.

[Code]

Considering Im over quite a few times during a year I wonder if I can get a dual citizenship based on my Scottish grandmother, just to beat those queues. 

[Captain Howdy]

7 minutes ago, Code said:

Considering Im over quite a few times during a year I wonder if I can get a dual citizenship based on my Scottish grandmother, just to beat those queues. 

No, we don’t want your sort here.

 

 

 

 

Joke by the way, I mean you never know these days.

[Ne Moe Imya]

On 24/12/2020 at 16:49, Gnasher said:

I didnt swallow fuck all. Not one of me posts has tried to push that nonsense. I just tried to give an alternative view of why the average joe could with justification take umbrage with the eu. It may not be a veiw that's palatable on here but step outside and it's a very different world, I dont agree with their reasoning but I can understand their point.

This reasoning has become so, so common on the internet these days and it drives me absolutely batty.

 

It usually takes the form "I don't personally believe in 'racist policy X,' I'm just saying that you can see why it's so popular." Give your own view, then defend it logically. Please stop trying to say "I'm just trying to give an alternative view" so you don't have to defend what you're saying. It's utter nonsense.

[Colonel Bumcunt]

I'm looking forward to this Brexit nonsense stopping so we can concentrate on the BIG issue that is on everyone's lips, antisemitism in the Labour party.  

 

 

[Captain Howdy]

24 minutes ago, Colonel Bumcunt said:

I'm looking forward to this Brexit nonsense stopping so we can concentrate on the BIG issue that is on everyone's lips, antisemitism in the Labour party.  

 

 

No one gives a fuck about antisemitism in the Labour Party and they never really did, the election was lost on two things 1. Jeremy Corbyn 2. Brexit. Now that both have gone it’s a race for the prize.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 24/12/2020 at 21:49, Gnasher said:

 I just tried to give an alternative view of why the average joe could with justification take umbrage with the eu. It may not be a veiw that's palatable on here but step outside and it's a very different world, I dont agree with their reasoning but I can understand their point.

The average Joe neither knows nor cares about neoliberalism, Greek Socialists, the Common Agricultural Policy or any of the other stuff you post about.  In fact, in the 2015 General Election the average Joe didn't think the EU was an issue at all. Once David fucking Cameron put the binary Leave/Remain question to people, it became an issue.  All that most people had to base their choice on was (a) about 4 decades of lying newspaper headlines blaming the EU and immigrants for all the country's problems; and (b) a desire to give the political class - the homogeneous lump of dishonest and distant, thumb-pointing New Labour/Lib-Dem/Tory Westminster suits - a well-earned bloody nose (and a deeply misguided idea that voting Leave was the way to do that).

[Gnasher]

7 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

The average Joe neither knows nor cares about neoliberalism, Greek Socialists, the Common Agricultural Policy or any of the other stuff you post about.  In fact, in the 2015 General Election the average Joe didn't think the EU was an issue at all. Once David fucking Cameron put the binary Leave/Remain question to people, it became an issue.  All that most people had to base their choice on was (a) about 4 decades of lying newspaper headlines blaming the EU and immigrants for all the country's problems; and (b) a desire to give the political class - the homogeneous lump of dishonest and distant, thumb-pointing New Labour/Lib-Dem/Tory Westminster suits - a well-earned bloody nose (and a deeply misguided idea that voting Leave was the way to do that).

The public couldn't escape the eu endorsement of austerity though and the poor couldnt escape being handed the wrong end of the stick..The eu are not totally blameless. 

 

Edit... link.

 

 

https://www.redpepper.org.uk/the-trouble-with-being-both-anti-austerity-and-pro-eu/

 

Oh and happy Christmas to you and yours angry.

[skend04]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

The public couldn't escape the eu endorsement of austerity though and the poor couldnt escape being handed the wrong end of the stick..The eu are not totally blameless. 

Austerity was voted for by the public. It wasn't like the Tories were saying "we're going to spend our way out of the economic fall out of the banking collapse". Just as enough of the public were stupid enough to buy into austerity, they then bought into the Leave vote, which was ironically caused by the austerity they voted for. Now they've voted for even greater restrictions. The public have always had a choice, enough have chosen badly to fuck the majority over.

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, skend04 said:

Austerity was voted for by the public. It wasn't like the Tories were saying "we're going to spend our way out of the economic fall out of the banking collapse". Just as enough of the public were stupid enough to buy into austerity, they then bought into the Leave vote, which was ironically caused by the austerity they voted for. Now they've voted for even greater restrictions. The public have always had a choice, enough have chosen badly to fuck the majority over.

Yea that's true in a way although the Tories only received approx 40% of the registered vote ( not sure on figure) the eu people hoped knew better but alas proved cit with the same blue cloth.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

The public couldn't escape the eu endorsement of austerity though and the poor couldnt escape being handed the wrong end of the stick..The eu are not totally blameless. 

 

Edit... link.

 

 

https://www.redpepper.org.uk/the-trouble-with-being-both-anti-austerity-and-pro-eu/

 

Oh and happy Christmas to you and yours angry.

Nobody's saying the EU are totally blameless; nobody ever said that.   The depressing thing about austerity is that there were a lot of people I spoke to from 2010 onwards who wholly bought into the bullshit - promoted by all three major national parties - about cuts being necessary.  I don't recall anyone blaming the EU for determining UK economic policy. 

 

I hope you & yours are keeping safe & happy too.

 

 

[Lario]

The phrase "be careful what you wish for" comes to mind.

[Section_31]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

Yea that's true in a way although the Tories only received approx 40% of the registered vote ( not sure on figure) the eu people hoped knew better but alas proved cit with the same blue cloth.

Labour post Brown dropped the ball massively in not challenging this. Brown pretty much went cap in hand to the Sarkozy and Merkel didn't he and begged the EU to mirror what he was trying to do by stimulating the economy and they shat on the idea. Pretty sure I read somewhere that Obama thoght he was some kind of hero for even attempting it.

[Megadrive Man]

On 24/12/2020 at 21:34, Colonel Bumcunt said:

I think it's the start of a long road back to joining the EU in some capacity.  There will be additions to the deal as we go on, and bit by bit we'll edge closer to something akin to membership again. 

I don't see it personally.

 

The last thing the majority of people want is this being in the news anymore. It will be at least 20 years before any talk of another referendum.

Also wouldn't we have to join the Euro if we wanted to rejoin in the Eu?

[skend04]

10 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

I don't see it personally.

 

The last thing the majority of people want is this being in the news anymore. It will be at least 20 years before any talk of another referendum.

Also wouldn't we have to join the Euro if we wanted to rejoin in the Eu?

This trade deal won't last out the year. If the EU are happy to sign it off they've pretty much got everything they set out to get. We'll be crawling back soon enough tweaking the deal as time goes on. It won't be subject of any votes or referenda, it'll just happen quietly. Either that or at the end of the 4 year period this deal covers we'll be chucked to the kerb.

[Bruce Spanner]

The qualifications accreditation is a right kick in the dick personally, along with a few other of the finer details.

 

They’ll claim a victory, but it’s regressive nonsense that leaves us worse off with some glorious summer of deregulation and erosion of workers rights in the future as their reward.

 

I can’t believe how snivelling and duplicitous we are as a country at present, truly devoid of any real redeeming features.

 

Sad pathetic little island which has just allowed a gang of spivs to ruin the reputation of this country just to try and create a UK that can not now exist due to the terms of the deal.

 

A real lose/lose situation.

[skend04]

1 minute ago, Bruce Spanner said:

The qualifications accreditation is a right kick in the dick personally, along with a few other of the finer details.

 

They’ll claim a victory, but it’s regressive nonsense that leaves us worse off with some glorious summer of deregulation and erosion of workers rights in the future as their reward.

 

I can’t believe how snivelling and duplicitous we are as a country at present, truly devoid of any real redeeming features.

 

Sad pathetic little island which has just allowed a gang of spivs to ruin the reputation of this country just to try and create a UK that can not now exist due to the terms of the deal.

 

A real lose/lose situation.

Along with Erasmus this is the icing on the turd cake. People's qualifications now count for shit in the biggest trading bloc on the planet and we see it as a win? 

A joke.

[Colonel Bumcunt]

13 hours ago, Captain Howdy said:

No one gives a fuck about antisemitism in the Labour Party and they never really did, the election was lost on two things 1. Jeremy Corbyn 2. Brexit. Now that both have gone it’s a race for the prize.

Was a joke dude. 

 

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

Labour post Brown dropped the ball massively in not challenging this. Brown pretty much went cap in hand to the Sarkozy and Merkel didn't he and begged the EU to mirror what he was trying to do by stimulating the economy and they shat on the idea. Pretty sure I read somewhere that Obama thoght he was some kind of hero for even attempting it.

Yeah, spot on unfortunately. I honestly feel a bit gutted  not for myself but for the youngsters  they didnt vote out and they didnt vote Tory and now they are going to pay for covid. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Here's the full text of the deal.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/agreements-reached-between-the-united-kingdom-of-great-britain-and-northern-ireland-and-the-european-union?s=09

 

And before anyone asks - no.

No I did not read that before posting. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, MegadriveMan said:

I don't see it personally.

 

The last thing the majority of people want is this being in the news anymore. It will be at least 20 years before any talk of another referendum.

Also wouldn't we have to join the Euro if we wanted to rejoin in the Eu?

I suspect you're right.  For most people, life will continue to be shit, but they'll find something else to blame.

[Chairman Meow]

19 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I suspect you're right.  For most people, life will continue to be shit, but they'll find something else to blame.

It's the Tory way. 

 

"What not us mate, it was all down to those other fellas". 

 

 

[Liverpool lad]

I look forward to all these places that voted heavily in favour of Leave to become booming centres of commerce 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Liverpool lad said:

I look forward to all these places that voted heavily in favour of Leave to become booming centres of commerce 

According to Johnson, the deal provides legislative and regulatory freedoms to "deliver for people who felt left behind". 

 

You know the way that businesses and successive Tory Governments have always wanted to offer decent jobs for decent wages and to provide good quality housing and services, but all those EU regulations stopped them?  Well, now we're free from that.