Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Rico1304]

I think the only positive is that most nations will steer well clear of referendums. 

[Gnasher]

Italy youth eu unemployment. The eu really should have done more. The last ten years it lost it's way.

 

https://www.afr.com/world/lost-generation-of-youth-is-the-eus-major-problem-20180914-h15d19

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

I think the only positive is that most nations will steer well clear of referendums. 

Not at all. The problem was the question was a stupid binary vote of yah or nah. If the question was a vote on the deal it might have been different.

[Moo]

35 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying. If the nostradamus sages were so sure of this outcome May's deal would have sailed through. Easy in hindsight which is partly why Johnson throws the slur at Starmer.

So those of the general public and the journalists who could see it a mile off would have helped see May's deal through?  Those who voted against May's deal were the ERG, for whom it was not hard enough, and opposition MPs who thought it was too hard.  May's deal would have been a version of a hard Brexit, it was always going to be a hard Brexit (or worse).  Always.

[Gnasher]

I havnt come on here to glout. I'm admitting I got it wrong.

[Moo]

47 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Well, I did. Know plenty of others who did the same. 

Me too.  Even if it was only for a few years for a change of scenery, or different opportunities, or for experience, I know loads.

[Gnasher]

3 minutes ago, Moo said:

So those of the general public and the journalists who could see it a mile off would have helped see May's deal through?  Those who voted against May's deal were the ERG, for whom it was not hard enough, and opposition MPs who thought it was too hard.  May's deal would have been a version of a hard Brexit, it was always going to be a hard Brexit (or worse).  Always.

Labour and the lib dems  voted against May's deal. If they had a choice between this Johnson one and May's I'd bet they would choose May's.  It imo shows this was not obvious.

[Moo]

22 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Imagine being such a bunch of cunts that you wouldn't keep membership of Erasmus for UK and EU student because they wanted membership fees upfront. Obviously if you're rich you'll be able to send your kids wherever you want. However if you're from a struggling household, well fuck you. Just another attack on the working classes, who went and voted Tory.

The membership fees up front will just be an excuse.  Tories revel in keeping the downtrodden down.

[Rico1304]

10 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Not at all. The problem was the question was a stupid binary vote of yah or nah. If the question was a vote on the deal it might have been different.

(Sigh)

 

Can you see this having any impact on negotiation? Quickly post an article youve not read based solely on the headline, which may or may not reflect the content of said article. 
 

 

[Moo]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Labour and the lib dems  voted against May's deal. If they had a choice between this Johnson one and May's I'd bet they would choose May's.  It imo shows this was not obvious.

In hindsight yes.

They were in a position to influence against May's hard Brexit, they tried, they failed.  They might have succeeded had they not underestimated the inconceivable lengths the hard right would go to in order to achieve the hardest of Brexits. 

[skend04]

22 minutes ago, Moo said:

The membership fees up front will just be an excuse.  Tories revel in keeping the downtrodden down.

Yep. It's their MO. It's purely vindictive against poorer students.

[chrisbonnie]

1 hour ago, cloggypop said:

Well, I did. Know plenty of others who did the same. 

So can you still be classed as an expat, or are you an economic migrant now?? Ha ha ha ha 

[Gnasher]

We got all this shit now. 

 

 

 

This is where I'm glad Starmer is leader, I think he the best man to unpick the nonsense. 

[cloggypop]

Just now, chrisbonnie said:

So can you still be classed as an expat, or are you an economic migrant now?? Ha ha ha ha 

I'm still on a long working holiday. Stay well clear of anyone describing themselves as an expat. 

[Gnasher]

Might go to live in Holland next year, fucked off.

[cloggypop]

Just now, Gnasher said:

Might go to live in Holland next year, fucked off.

We're fucking full. 

[Gnasher]

27 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

(Sigh)

 

Can you see this having any impact on negotiation? Quickly post an article youve not read based solely on the headline, which may or may not reflect the content of said article. 
 

 

What are you on about? I'm saying it might have been better to have a vote on deal that has been negotiated rather than a simple blind in/out choice.

[Gnasher]

1 minute ago, cloggypop said:

We're fucking full. 

See. Fucking immigrants.

[Gnasher]

Fuck off Laura

 

 

[cloggypop]

12 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

See. Fucking immigrants.

Alright, you can come in but it has to be this week. 

[Gnasher]

Not sure what to make of this reply to be honest

 

 

[cloggypop]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Not sure what to make of this reply to be honest

 

 

That cunt was political editor at the S*n for years. 

[Gnasher]

Just now, cloggypop said:

That cunt was political editor at the S*n for years. 

Yeah sorry I thought I knew the cunt. It just gets fucking worse.

[Rico1304]

11 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

What are you on about? I'm saying it might have been better to have a vote on deal that has been negotiated rather than a simple blind in/out choice.

You see this is why we shouldn’t have them. 
 

Your view is we should have had a referendum on the final deal.  But the EU just makes the final deal so unpalatable it’s never going to be accepted. Therefore ‘real’ politics stops. 

[Gnasher]

2 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

You see this is why we shouldn’t have them. 
 

Your view is we should have had a referendum on the final deal.  But the EU just makes the final deal so unpalatable it’s never going to be accepted. Therefore ‘real’ politics stops. 

Yeah maybe. A referendum is the most democratic thing in the world though. The people decide, shit or bust. The problem is they got a tendency to pick the wrong pick in a two horse race.