Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I'm evidently missing something because I don't understand how leaving the EU will stop unscrupulous gangmasters from exploiting illegal labour. Did they all wake up on February 1st and think "Oh fuck, we're out of the EU now, guess I gotta get rid of all my slaves".

Don’t worry, Gnash, I’ve got this one for you. 
 

Fuck off, Luvvie. 

[Strontium]

What's wrong with being lovely?

[mattyq]

Can I still have my slaves in January or will I have to move to France?

[Gnasher]

5 hours ago, Strontium Dog™ said:

I'm evidently missing something because I don't understand how leaving the EU will stop unscrupulous gangmasters from exploiting illegal labour. Did they all wake up on February 1st and think "Oh fuck, we're out of the EU now, guess I gotta get rid of all my slaves".

 

5 hours ago, Numero said:

Don’t worry, Gnash, I’ve got this one for you. 
 

Fuck off, Luvvie. 

No he makes a fair point, this is where the government has a stick or twist decision regarding free movement. Does it enforce a rigorous policy to stop the influx of cheap labour? Easier said than done, plus you are then biting of your nose to spite your face so to speak as immigrants in general give a great boost to the country culturally and economically. 

 

One small push in the fight against modern slavery is the power of the consumer, and the change exposure brings, ie that firm in Leicester with the billionaire owers has thankfully lost a lot of money in share value, if these firms/organised criminals (there is not much between the two) are put to the coals instead of being left to operate in a haze of public sedation the exploitation continues unabated.

 

 

https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/charity-police-break-up-uks-largest-modern-slavery-ring-victims-worked-in-farms-allegedly-supplying-uk-retailers-supermarkets

[A Red]

12 hours ago, Gnasher said:

The nhs turned 72 this week. I darent think what its founder Nye Bevan would think of some of the casual dismissal of in work slavery 

 

 

At a moment like this I wonder what Nye Bevan would have done and i'm pretty sure he would have shat in his pants

[Gnasher]

11 minutes ago, A Red said:

At a moment like this I wonder what Nye Bevan would have done and i'm pretty sure he would have shat in his pants

Is this is one of those attempts at funny that are not very funny?

[A Red]

15 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Is this is one of those attempts at funny that are not very funny?

Yeah very probably, just an old Not the nine o clock news spoof on Question Time

 

 

 

https://dai.ly/x2rhk75

 

 

[Strontium]

Well, I'm amazed, we're sitting here talking about a nuclear holocaust, casually discussing the destruction of the entire planet, and ignoring the major issue, which is the appalling record of this Conservative government. The real tragedy here is that three million people will die... unemployed.

 

40 years old and still amazingly relevant 

[TheHowieLama]

How come no one is talking about the slaves in Herefordshire?

[Bruce Spanner]

Slaves are a truly terrible band.

 

Might not add much to the debate, but I feel all the better for saying it.

[Numero Veinticinco]

42 minutes ago, TheHowieLama said:

How come no one is talking about the slaves in Herefordshire?

Because Gnasher doesn’t give a fuck about them. The bastard. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 08/07/2020 at 19:23, Gnasher said:

You need to look a bit closer to home than the good ol usa for nazis 

 

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/02/neo-nazis-europe-rally-budapest-200207083707437.html

 

 That's the brave new world that awaits you mr Huxley.

Nazis in Hungary? You know who I blame?

 

The EU. 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45498514

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 08/07/2020 at 16:45, Gnasher said:

Why? Because being part of the eu benefits you? Meanwhile for those less fortunate than yourself, 

 

 

https://www.politico.eu/article/labor-trafficking-exploitation-modern-day-slavery-on-the-rise-in-europe-report/

Just like the first time you posted it, that report is still about Europe, not the EU. 

 

The still-unanswered question is how you propose to protect workers' rights by taking rights away from workers.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

On 08/07/2020 at 19:16, Gnasher said:

The eu free movement policy has increased people trafficking and deep down I think you know it.

I'd rather see some evidence of this than your  (incorrect) assumption of my innermost feelings. I'm prepared to change my mind if you show me evidence, but everything I've seen on this subject proves that the way to fight slavery is to give workers more rights; leaving the EU is specifically designed to take rights away from workers. 

[Gnasher]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-blamed-for-rise-in-trafficking-and-slaves-fd3dwp7s3

[AngryOfTuebrook]

45 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/eu-blamed-for-rise-in-trafficking-and-slaves-fd3dwp7s3

It's behind a paywall.

 

Could you copy and paste it, please. (I tried to find the report from another source, but with no real joy.)

[Mudface]

3 hours ago, Bruce Spanner said:

Slaves are a truly terrible band.

 

Might not add much to the debate, but I feel all the better for saying it.

Dunno about the rest of their oeuvre, but this is great.

 

 

[Bruce Spanner]

48 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Dunno about the rest of their oeuvre, but this is great.

 

 

 
If great has been redefined as ADHD addled sixth formers with a skewed version of social justice and a flimsy understanding on ‘the real world’, then you’re right.

 

Shite armchair anarchist posturing. 
 

Just shouting about how right on you isn’t ‘real’, you know.

[Mudface]

15 minutes ago, Bruce Spanner said:

 
If great has been redefined as ADHD addled sixth formers with a skewed version of social justice and a flimsy understanding on ‘the real world’, then you’re right.

 

Shite armchair anarchist posturing. 
 

Just shouting about how right on you isn’t ‘real’, you know.

I just liked the song mate sorry.

[Bruce Spanner]

2 minutes ago, Mudface said:

I just liked the song mate sorry.

As the late, great Ghandi once opined ‘if you can’t handle me at my worst, you’re a cunt’ of summert.

[Gnasher]

5 hours ago, TheHowieLama said:

How come no one is talking about the slaves in Herefordshire?

Here you go, sounds lovely, I note the farm provides food for tesco and sainsbury's etc you have seen increased trade during the pandemic.

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/12/one-workers-experience-at-coronavirus-hit-herefordshire-farm

 

 

It appears transporting people half way around the world to live in containers to boost profits for landowners and supermarket chains has its consequences.

[skend04]

3 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

Here you go, sounds lovely, I note the farm provides food for tesco and sainsbury's etc you have seen increased trade during the pandemic.

 

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jul/12/one-workers-experience-at-coronavirus-hit-herefordshire-farm

 

 

It appears transporting people half way around the world to live in containers to boost profits for landowners and supermarket chains has its consequences.

One farmer a week commits suicide in the UK. You've again got landowners, who do nothing with their land and farmers, who are generally on their knees, mixed up.

[Rico1304]

We’ve spent more money PREPARING to leave,  than we’ve ever spent being in.  Whatever happens, that’s a huge amount of money to pay to leave when we are now told by JRM we won’t see a benefit for 50 yrs. Fucking mental. 

[Gnasher]

4 minutes ago, skend04 said:

One farmer a week commits suicide in the UK. You've again got landowners, who do nothing with their land and farmers, who are generally on their knees, mixed up.

To be honest I'm more concerned with those poor fuckers in quarantine with covid.

[TheHowieLama]

What did these farming fellas do before the EU?