Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[moof]

5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Oh my god Ken Clarke just spat at him! Its kicking off. What did Corbyn throw then? 

 

Oh now Bercow has got his dick out. Its all gone tits up 

 

3 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

Mark Francois has just spontaneously combusted!

Fucking hell! I’m really missing out 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

I bet T May is feeling rather upset about Johnson forcing through a deal worse than her own. 

 

Amendments will be made, the EU could easily say....fuck that.  

[sir roger]

Sorry Skend , have to pick up on this oft-repeated cobblers about Corbyn.

 

"However, following painstaking research conducted by Channel Four’s Fact Check, it can now be confirmed that rather than “consistently voting with the Tories” as the former Home Secretary (Jacqui Smith) had stated, Jeremy Corbyn actually voted against the Conservative Party a staggering 421 times out of his 428 rebellions against the Labour Party. This means that, rather than Corbyn supposedly rebelling against his own party, Labour were actually consistently proposing legislation that was essentially in line with what the Tories wanted." https://evolvepolitics.com/jeremy-corbyn-voted-against-the-tories-421-times-out-of-his-428-labour-vote-rebellions/

[aRdja]

1 minute ago, sir roger said:

Sorry Skend , have to pick up on this oft-repeated cobblers about Corbyn.

 

"However, following painstaking research conducted by Channel Four’s Fact Check, it can now be confirmed that rather than “consistently voting with the Tories” as the former Home Secretary (Jacqui Smith) had stated, Jeremy Corbyn actually voted against the Conservative Party a staggering 421 times out of his 428 rebellions against the Labour Party. This means that, rather than Corbyn supposedly rebelling against his own party, Labour were actually consistently proposing legislation that was essentially in line with what the Tories wanted." https://evolvepolitics.com/jeremy-corbyn-voted-against-the-tories-421-times-out-of-his-428-labour-vote-rebellions/

 

 

Trying to reason with #FBPE is just about as useless as with the Brexit Party members.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

I know the timetable was voted down by 14, but that is way too close considering what is at stake and the fact it's a worse deal than May's, especially for NI. Just shows what twats those Tories are, they don't give a flying fuck about the country, just the Tory party and those who donate or feed off them. 

I suppose we should thank T May for having that snap election and reducing the Tory majority, otherwise you'd have been fucked big style. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

4 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Deleted my original post as the second vote was coming in. But yeah, they've just handed him a huge election boost. He'll be going around on an election campaign saying he's got the numbers for a deal and just needs the electorate to back him now. Absolutely scandalous by the Labour MPs. But then they're lead by Corbyn who voted over 400 times against his party and he can't say much when others follow his lead. Chumps.

I think a lot of this depends on what the Brexit Party do. Johnson promised out by the 31st. He's likely to fail on this promise. Also, some Brexiteers don't like the deal anyway and are of similar thinking to Farage in that the deal isn't really Brexit. 

 

If 3 or 4% of the Tory vote defects back to the Brexit Party, then it's all to play for really. The issue could be whether we get a hung Parliament and who Labour, if they get the opportunity, could go into coalition with?

[TheHowieLama]

re: Corbyn   

Maybe it is the party that is divisive?

[skend04]

3 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Trying to reason with #FBPE is just about as useless as with the Brexit Party members.

I haven't got a Twitter account so I'm certainly not a #FBPE you melt. 

[Sugar Ape]

Seeing some talk on Twitter that he could go back and ask the EU to just grant the extension until the end of November for example to keep the pressure on and that would mean the Benn act had been satisfied. 
 

Be pretty pointless to do that though because he’ll just end up back in exactly the same position at the end of November unless he can get the deal through, which seems unlikely as MPs start to scrutinise it and see the problems it will cause.

 

Only way out of this for him now that I can see is a GE. 

[skend04]

7 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Sorry Skend , have to pick up on this oft-repeated cobblers about Corbyn.

 

"However, following painstaking research conducted by Channel Four’s Fact Check, it can now be confirmed that rather than “consistently voting with the Tories” as the former Home Secretary (Jacqui Smith) had stated, Jeremy Corbyn actually voted against the Conservative Party a staggering 421 times out of his 428 rebellions against the Labour Party. This means that, rather than Corbyn supposedly rebelling against his own party, Labour were actually consistently proposing legislation that was essentially in line with what the Tories wanted." https://evolvepolitics.com/jeremy-corbyn-voted-against-the-tories-421-times-out-of-his-428-labour-vote-rebellions/

 

 

Did I say he voted for the Tories? He voted against his party over 400 times is what I said. An evolve article spinning it as he never voted with the Tories is neither here nor there.

[Sugar Ape]

Never heard of the cunt but at the least they should be sacked from the shadow cabinet.

 

 

[sir roger]

Yes I really wish the bastard had backed Austerity a bit harder , calls himself a socialist.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Brexiteers banging on about Remainers losing, bless them. They really haven't got a clue about the hurdles ahead of them, not only on the withdrawal agreement but also the phase which would follow that should the amended withdrawal agreement be accepted by the EU. They really are a bunch of cretins, desperate to leave the EU regardless of the consequences and what the actual withdrawal agreement contains. This deal, if eventually pushed through isn't even Brexit, it's basically 'Brexit in name only' with future Governments in the UK given a free run at fucking over the workers and poor.  

[aRdja]

7 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

Never heard of the cunt but at the least they should be sacked from the shadow cabinet.

 

 

Do you think that’d be wise with a general election on the horizon? The media would just spin it into a “Labour Party no longer a broad church” or “chilling undemocratic purge from Comrade Corbyn” news story.

[aRdja]

3 minutes ago, sir roger said:

Yes I really wish the bastard had backed Austerity a bit harder , calls himself a socialist.

He should’ve really just voted for the Iraq war the pacifist cunt #FBPE

[Sugar Ape]

1 minute ago, viRdjil said:

Do you think that’d be wise with an election on the horizon. The media would just spin it into a “Labour Party no longer a broad church” or “chilling undemocratic purge from Comrade Corbyn” news story.

Absolutely. Collective responsibility when you are in the cabinet is all important. 

[cloggypop]

11 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

Seeing some talk on Twitter that he could go back and ask the EU to just grant the extension until the end of November for example to keep the pressure on and that would mean the Benn act had been satisfied. 
 

Be pretty pointless to do that though because he’ll just end up back in exactly the same position at the end of November unless he can get the deal through, which seems unlikely as MPs start to scrutinise it and see the problems it will cause.

 

Only way out of this for him now that I can see is a GE. 

He doesn't get to choose the extension. It's for the EU to decide. 

[sir roger]

4 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

Brexiteers banging on about Remainers losing, bless them. They really haven't got a clue about the hurdles ahead of them, not only on the withdrawal agreement but also the phase which would follow that should the amended withdrawal agreement be accepted by the EU. They really are a bunch of cretins, desperate to leave the EU regardless of the consequences and what the actual withdrawal agreement contains. This deal, if eventually pushed through isn't even Brexit, it's basically 'Brexit in name only' with future Governments in the UK given a free run at fucking over the workers and poor.  

I laugh when I hear ' Just get it done ' , I believe Canada's trade deal with the EU , Our biggest present market,  took 12 years to negotiate 

[aRdja]

2 minutes ago, Sugar Ape said:

Absolutely. Collective responsibility when you are in the cabinet is all important. 

Fair enough. I’m not sure how well it’s play to Labour leave voters though.

[cloggypop]

Just now, sir roger said:

I laugh when I hear ' Just get it done ' , I believe Canada's trade deal with the EU , Our biggest present market,  took 12 years to negotiate 

Exactly. The only thing that stops all this shite, right now, is revoking Article 50. 

 

 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

If a GE is called then don't be surprised with a hung parliament and even more chaos than now. 

 

The EU should realise they hold all the trump cards again and say a long extension until Sep/Oct next year, take it or leave it, we all know that a 'No Deal' scenario is only wanted by the screaming mongs and the Hedge fund dabblers. I'd guess a good 70% of MP's do not want a 'No Deal.' 

 

Force a GE and a second referendum on the UK and get on with your own work. 

[Sugar Ape]

1 minute ago, viRdjil said:

Fair enough. I’m not sure how well it’s play to Labour leave voters though.

Just my opinion but I think it’d be more wise to play to the majority of Labour voters and the membership which is for remain. It’ll do more damage and cost more votes pissing off remainers than leave voters. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

4 minutes ago, sir roger said:

I laugh when I hear ' Just get it done ' , I believe Canada's trade deal with the EU , Our biggest present market,  took 12 years to negotiate 

 

It doesn't bode well for future deals should Brexit actually happen. You'll end up with all kinds of shit due to desperation, mainly from the good old US of A.........

[Sugar Ape]

5 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

He doesn't get to choose the extension. It's for the EU to decide. 

I know, that’s why I said he could ask them. Whether they’d agree or not is another matter. 

[sir roger]

Would also seem like he was bowing down to the Starmer / Watson / McDonnell / Thornberry axis who are trying to misrepresent the recent conference decision, and make Labour full on remain.