Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Bobby Hundreds]

Are there any details of this deal, what it entails.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

33 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

Look where the capo is. Thick cunt. 

 

Not the first bum notes he has played. 

[clangers]

11 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I think it’ll be more strongly leave with his deal. 

I think leave would win, they'd campaign on the basis of the people being denied their democratic will by the establishment, 'we've already voted to leave' etc. I'm not sure Brexit would get a look in?

[Bjornebye]

7 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Are there any details of this deal, what it entails.

Irish customs officials need their arm-bands 

[Jenson]

1 minute ago, clangers said:

I think leave would win, they'd campaign on the basis of the people being denied their democratic will by the establishment, 'we've already voted to leave' etc. I'm not sure Brexit would get a look in?

I'm not so sure. I think playing the 'denying the will of the people' angle is a bit preaching to the choir. I can't see many who voted remain last time now switching their vote to leave because of that argument. I do think that more people who voted leave will now vote remain after seeing what a shitshow Brexit actually will be, and knowing about all the lies that were sold to them. Add into that the number of 18-21 year olds who couldn't vote last time and are overwhelmingly more likely to vote remain, I can see remain squeaking it.

[Anubis]

5 Live right in there with the Gov’t support. Boris has got rid of the backstop,etc. Then the predictable Corbyn stuff because he said it seems worse than Theresa May’s deal. Has he read it? This seems monumental - shouldn’t he read it. Not a word about Jo Swinson saying it would make her more determined than ever to campaign for a referendum. They were all very excited and enthusiastic about a deal having been made.

[M_B]

Yeah the pressure will all be on the DUP and opposing MP's now. How dare they vote against etc

 

Masterful politicking from Boris? Was @Boss right afterall?

[Guest Pistonbroke]

38 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Irish customs officials need their arm-bands 

[Anubis]

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Has the DUP been abandoned by No 10?

 

Lisa O'Carroll

A view in Northern Ireland is that the DUP have been totally shafted “run over by a convoy of juggernauts” and for once lost out in their hallmark brinkmanship.

 

This could rise to further tensions in the region, making it vital that there is “no crowing in Dublin”, one source said.

 

The DUP, who had been the lynchpin in Theresa May’s government have seen their powerful position rubbed out this morning in Brussels and some in Northern Irelandare saying they believe that this was Boris Johnson’s calculation all along: get a deal and have a general election whether he gets it through parliament or not.

“This has not gone well for the DUP. This is a huge moment for the DUP, and it is going to create huge tensions on the unionist side. Northern Ireland continues to be collateral damage in Brexit,” said the source.

 

Some believe that the DUP’s statement this morning was about forcing further concessions from Boris Johnson. But the moment the deal was done the door was closed in their face. That said it may well be that Johnson lavishes the DUP/Northern Ireland with a jacuzzi of cash in the next two days to bring them back on board.

 

The Northern Ireland secretary Julian Smith was in Derry recently to discuss the establishment of a new medical school and there has been repeated talk of money for a motorway from Derry to Belfast. But sources say “this is of no interest to the DUP because that is Sinn Fein territory.”

 

So if the DUP have been sold a dummy pass, how did that happen? Could Dominic Cummings have come up with a cunning plan to persuade them to drop regulatory alignment in exchange for a veto on the deal, a veto that he knew would never get through? That is a question yet to be answered. 

 

Others point out that the DUP took a huge step agreeing to yield on regulatory alignment with the EU and this was not matched by the EU/Dublin.

 

They felt that this was not recognised by Dublin and they were “very annoyed” when Leo Varadkar made an off the cuff remark in Sweden days later that the British public actually wanted to stay in the EU but it was politically impossible.

 

Kitty Donaldson (@kitty_donaldson)

EXC: @duponline won't vote for @BorisJohnson Brexit deal: sourceshttps://t.co/4KIILhZN39

October 17, 2019

[Anubis]

Just now, Anubis said:

Kitty Donaldson (@kitty_donaldson)

EXC: @duponline won't vote for @BorisJohnson Brexit deal: sourceshttps://t.co/4KIILhZN39

October 17, 2019

 

[Anubis]

Apologies for the double post of the tweet.

[M_B]

He may have shot himself in the foot actually.

 

If we do go to an election, Boris will now have to campaign for his deal rather than a no deal and Farage will campaign for no deal which will split the right wing vote and prevent an already unlikely coalition.

 

...unless he about turns, says Parliament rejected his deal, and campaigns for no deal again.

[Scooby Dudek]

7 minutes ago, M_B said:

He may have shot himself in the foot actually.

 

If we do go to an election, Boris will now have to campaign for his deal rather than a no deal and Farage will campaign for no deal which will split the right wing vote and prevent an already unlikely coalition.

 

...unless he about turns, says Parliament rejected his deal, and campaigns for no deal again.

Negotiating a deal and then campaigning against it ? That is just crazy and totally confusing. 

[Bjornebye]

9 minutes ago, M_B said:

 

...unless he about turns, says Parliament rejected his deal, and campaigns for no deal again.

Which will happen for sure 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Negotiating a deal and then campaigning against it ? That is just crazy and totally confusing. 

Political gamesmanship. He is ticking boxes so it looks like he is trying to get a deal. He doesn't want one. 

[Jenson]

Fuck me, Gove is one slimy horrible twat.

 

 

[Anubis]

Apparently he’s told the EU that even if his deal is voted down he won’t ask for an extension.

 

 

 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Official statement now issued from the DUP confirming that they can't support Johnson's new deal. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, viRdjil said:

No “No Deal” this month. Still possible after right? The most foolproof way to avoid “No Deal” Brexit is to leave the EU with this deal IMO.

This is incorrect. 

 

The most foolproof way to avoid "No Deal" is to reject this, force Johnson to request an extension  (or force him out, so someone else can request it) then call a General Election to get someone in who will take No Deal off the table. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, M_B said:

I see the threats are out again. It's the old Hungary veto one. Anything to get the deal over the line on Saturday.

Taking back control  = Going cap-in-hand to East European Fascists. 

[Dr Nowt]

Any Labour and/or Remain MP voting for this deal is an absolute fool.

 

Farage has said today he'd sooner an extension and an election. When The Brexit party are saying that, and would naturally be campaigning in an election on that basis (that this is necessary because his deal doesn't represent Brexit, so even "more dither and delay" is preferable), much of the campaign approach this government would have taken in setting themselves as the party of Leave will be hijacked, contradicted by the anti-EU messiah himself and therefore less effective with all Brexit true believers. Major potential for split leave votes.

 

Plus Johnson will have broken his pledge for 31st October and be getting it from all sides. Time to sit tight and hold nerve. His remarks about not requesting an extension aren't worth even commenting on at this point, the risible cunt-ox.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, M_B said:

Even if it doesn't they could just pass another one.

 

An election is probably the best chance of resolving the issue one way or another. This deal isn't going to get through Parliament without DUP support.

 

 

It's been evident for nearly a year that this particular group of MPs can neither deliver Brexit nor stop it.

 

The only way out of the impasse is a General Election. 

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

Any Labour and/or Remain MP voting for this deal is an absolute fool.

 

Farage has said today he'd sooner an extension and an election. When The Brexit party are saying that, and would naturally be campaigning in an election on that basis, much of the approach this government would have taken to an election in setting themselves as the party of Brexit will be hijacked and less effective.

 

Major potential for split votes. Plus Johnson will have broken his pledge for 31st October and be getting it from all sides. Time to sit tight and hold nerve. His remarks about not requesting an extension aren't worth even commenting on that this point, the risible cunt-ox.

Just seen Farage interviewed then. He actually spoke a bit of sense for a change the gimp. 

 

 

Boris about to talk now on BBC News. Lets see what shite he comes out with. #prayforstigstelly 

[Bjornebye]

Here he is the prick