Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Brownie]

Not to mention that choosing that option means that they are endorsing the Prime Minister in breaking the law.

[aRdja]

I’ve said it before, the people want to leave the EU. The should’ve always been on getting the best/least damaging deal possible.

[Numero Veinticinco]

5 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

I’ve said it before, the people want to leave the EU. The should’ve always been on getting the best/least damaging deal possible.

Yes. Except there’s no agreement on what that is. So... no deal. Still leaving the EU so, ya know, it’s democracy. 

[aRdja]

7 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Yes. Except there’s no agreement on what that is. So... no deal. Still leaving the EU so, ya know, it’s democracy. 

No deal is the absolute worst cast scenario and should never even have been entertained as a serious option by all parties, but still it is more democratic than remaining in the EU at this point. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

43 minutes ago, skend04 said:

It's quite disheartening. That there's a large swathe of the public who think that leaving with No Deal means the UK government will get back to a domestic agenda and they can forget about Brexit. Unfortunately it's here to stay for at least a generation if not longer.

 

Also, it's a shite question to ask anyway as most will equate ending the discussions as being the end of all the uncertainty here.

 

The country is fucked and the civil service will be firefighting the fallout for at least a decade. 

 

Most are too thick to realise the UK will have to strike up deals with other countries, plus the fact they'll be doing so from a weak position. They are so fucking stupid they believe all the Nationalistic tripe about Britain returning to ruling the Waves. If the UK declared War on anybody at the moment, these fuckers would be all up for it. A lot of them would be safe in the fact they are drawing a pension or near to it, so therefore someone else would have to fight the wars they'd be happy to go along with, an awful lot of the fuckers would also be happy to enlist to make Britain great again. Dangerous times, especially if a No Deal scenario comes to fruition and the Right wing media and Gov't blame all the UK's self made Woes on others. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

7 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

No deal is the absolute worst cast scenario and should never even have been entertained as a serious option by all parties, but still it is more democratic than remaining in the EU at this point. 

Democracy has very little to do with it, it's just a word they like using due to the initial vote which was based on years of lies and scaremongering. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

32 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

No deal is the absolute worst cast scenario and should never even have been entertained as a serious option by all parties, but still it is more democratic than remaining in the EU at this point. 

Except, as a matter of fact, nobody voted or was able to vote for no deal, and the vote was advisory. You see, democracy is about more than a wonky vote a few years ago. Especially a representative democracy. If you want to boil it down to one check mark that’s up to you. I’m interested in the bigger picture. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

53 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

I’ve said it before, the people want to leave the EU. The should’ve always been on getting the best/least damaging deal possible.

And there's the problem: one group of Tory MPs went for a damaging Brexit deal, another group of Tory MPs blocked it because it wasn't damaging enough. 

 

[skend04]

1 hour ago, viRdjil said:

I’ve said it before, the people want to leave the EU. The should’ve always been on getting the best/least damaging deal possible.

Quite strange how polls consistently show the opposite by around 10% give or take the margin of error.

[Barrington Womble]

1 hour ago, Brownie said:

Not to mention that choosing that option means that they are endorsing the Prime Minister in breaking the law.

How would it be breaking the law? If the act was suspended , surely that makes it legal?

58 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

Most are too thick to realise the UK will have to strike up deals with other countries, plus the fact they'll be doing so from a weak position. They are so fucking stupid they believe all the Nationalistic tripe about Britain returning to ruling the Waves. If the UK declared War on anybody at the moment, these fuckers would be all up for it. A lot of them would be safe in the fact they are drawing a pension or near to it, so therefore someone else would have to fight the wars they'd be happy to go along with, an awful lot of the fuckers would also be happy to enlist to make Britain great again. Dangerous times, especially if a No Deal scenario comes to fruition and the Right wing media and Gov't blame all the UK's self made Woes on others. 

I think it's dangerous to think of brexit voters as old grannies who've no future and only remember the past. Just watching the BBC on any evening when they go into one of these vote leave towns, this is people right across the generations who've been hoodwinked into thinking this is good for them. 

53 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

Democracy has very little to do with it, it's just a word they like using due to the initial vote which was based on years of lies and scaremongering. 

And chief maker in those lies was the cunt Johnson in his early days as a journalist. 

[elvis]

57 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

Democracy has very little to do with it, it's just a word they like using due to the initial vote which was based on years of lies and scaremongering. 

If being part of a democracy is sharing my supposed democratic existence  with 15 million absolute fucking racist backward morons who should still be living in caves , then count me out . 

[Bjornebye]

1 hour ago, viRdjil said:

I’ve said it before, the people want to leave the EU. The should’ve always been on getting the best/least damaging deal possible.

See I hate this bollocks. The people by and large don't, I guarantee if you polled everyone in the country ages between 18 and 100 then you would have a heavy Remain swing. It was a 52% victory for leave not 85% like you'd think the way some people bang on. Just look at the state of most Leave fanatics. 

 

No-one knew what they were voting for when they voted leave. Many didn't bother to vote because they didn't think so many people would be so stupid. The Leave campaign bombarded people with lies and got reprimanded for breaking rules afterwards. 3 years of all this bollocks will have put a lot of people off. 

 

The only people banging the #getbrexitdone drum are the thick cunts who think we are somehow at war with the EU and believe everything the media spouts. 

 

If Boris wasn't set to make himself and his cronies millions on them shorting the pound for a No Deal Brexit then it would already have been extended and we would be going back to the polls. 

 

Fuck Brexit. Fuck those who think cancelling it is undemocratic and fuck every single cunt who wants Brexit to happen without a deal on the 31st of October. 

[SilverSong]

4 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Fuck Brexit. Fuck those who think cancelling it is undemocratic and fuck every single cunt who wants Brexit to happen without a deal on the 31st of October. 

Wise words. Couldnt agree more.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

18 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

 

I think it's dangerous to think of brexit voters as old grannies who've no future and only remember the past. Just watching the BBC on any evening when they go into one of these vote leave towns, this is people right across the generations who've been hoodwinked into thinking this is good for them. 

And chief maker in those lies was the cunt Johnson in his early days as a journalist. 

 

I know mate, that's why I said a lot of them would be willing to enlist.

I never get tired of posting what Göring said whilst interviewed in his cell during the 'Nuremberg Trials.'

 

Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.

Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.

Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

13 minutes ago, elvis said:

If being part of a democracy is sharing my supposed democratic existence  with 15 million absolute fucking racist backward morons who should still be living in caves , then count me out . 

Thankfully a lot of good people in the UK and indeed around the World think the same. We just have to hope that this continues. 

[Barrington Womble]

11 minutes ago, Pistonbroke said:

 

I know mate, that's why I said a lot of them would be willing to enlist.

I never get tired of posting what Göring said whilst interviewed in his cell during the 'Nuremberg Trials.'

 

Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.

Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.

Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

Thankfully a lot of good people in the UK and indeed around the World think the same. We just have to hope that this continues. 

It's so simple and shows how stupid the people are. You would like to think with the lack of place to hide with social media, the availability of all this information from centuries on the internet, it would make it harder for the population to be played in this way. Except it's just become easier to rally the troops as most are too lazy or stupid to see beyond banner waving. Set up a Twitter with a union jack and away you go. 

[Bjornebye]

Just now, Barry Wom said:

It's so simple and shows how stupid the people are. You would like to think with the lack of place to hide with social media, the availability of all this information from centuries on the internet, it would make it harder for the population to be played in this way. Except it's just become easier to rally the troops as most are too lazy or stupid to see beyond banner waving. Set up a Twitter with a union jack and away you go. 

BIO

 

Aged 35-65 , Union Jack, Israel Flag, Vote-Tommy #getbrexitdone #helpforheroes

 

(although will likely never have served in the armed forces) 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

3 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

It's so simple and shows how stupid the people are. You would like to think with the lack of place to hide with social media, the availability of all this information from centuries on the internet, it would make it harder for the population to be played in this way. Except it's just become easier to rally the troops as most are too lazy or stupid to see beyond banner waving. Set up a Twitter with a union jack and away you go. 

 

Indeed.

 

Quotes from the past, like the one above should be taught in Schools and printed in the press more often. Of course, it won't resonate with everyone, but it will with those who are only being dragged along with the flow of Right wing shite because they don't know any better. Unfortunately a lot of people can't think for themselves beyond materialistic goods like a flash mobile, partying and getting laid. When it comes to the more meaningful stuff they are easily dragged into a belief which is emblazoned on the front pages of the shitty media. They want to feel they are part of something and are easy prey for those who wish to use them for their own gain. 

[magicrat]

2 hours ago, viRdjil said:

No deal is the absolute worst cast scenario and should never even have been entertained as a serious option by all parties, but still it is more democratic than remaining in the EU at this point. 

Bollocks . Let the people confirm their choice. 3 1/2 years down the line its unsafe to keep saying its the will of the people. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

1 minute ago, magicrat said:

Bollocks . Let the people confirm their choice. 3 1/2 years down the line its unsafe to keep saying its the will of the people. 

 

It's Daily mail shit. 

[Brownie]

2 hours ago, viRdjil said:

I’ve said it before, the people want to leave the EU. The should’ve always been on getting the best/least damaging deal possible.

Roughly half of the voters want to leave. That does not equate to “the people” as a whole, as we keep hearing.

 

In the last general election, 13.6 million voted for the Tories and 16.1 million voted for a combination of Labour, SNP and Liberal Democrats.

 

So using that logic, “the people” don’t want a Tory government but they get one.

[Brownie]

1 hour ago, Barry Wom said:

How would it be breaking the law? If the act was suspended , surely that makes it legal?

The Benn act has been given Royal Ascent, therefore it’s law. If Johnson refuses to send the letter, he’s breaking the law.

[magicrat]

2 minutes ago, Brownie said:

The Benn act has been given Royal Ascent, therefore it’s law. If Johnson refuses to send the letter, he’s breaking the law.

Well he has previous 

[Brownie]

1 minute ago, magicrat said:

Well he has previous 

I know. I was just making the point that public opinion supports him breaking the law.

 

Which is mad.

[magicrat]

4 minutes ago, Brownie said:

I know. I was just making the point that public opinion supports him breaking the law.

 

Which is mad.

Mad is the new sane. 

[Brownie]

The latest on this is that EU law apparently usurps UK law which means that Article 50 takes precedence over the Benn act, at least that’s what the government relies on.

 

So basically the ERG are trying to get out of it by using a mechanism that they want to ultimately remove (EU courts).

 

The irony.