Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Denny Crane]

I obviously think it's unacceptable and dangerous to have No Deal on any referendum as it legatimises it as a solution. 

 

 

[Spy Bee]

Polls are just utter bullshit these days.

[Bjornebye]

1 minute ago, Spy Bee said:

Polls are just utter bullshit these days.

As was the EU referendum. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Just now, Spy Bee said:

Polls are just utter bullshit these days.

 

Beat me to it. Easily manipulated as the actual results of a vote show. 

[Barrington Womble]

13 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

I obviously think it's unacceptable and dangerous to have No Deal on any referendum as it legatimises it as a solution. 

 

 

The problem with no deal on any referendum is too many of the electorate don't understand it. There was a poll a little while back where something like 75% of people who supported no deal actually didn't realise any of the implications. And when you have cunts like Johnson and Raab running round telling people no deal is a clean break, it just makes matters worse. 

[Bjornebye]

15 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

The problem with no deal on any referendum is too many of the electorate don't understand it. There was a poll a little while back where something like 75% of people who supported no deal actually didn't realise any of the implications. And when you have cunts like Johnson and Raab running round telling people no deal is a clean break, it just makes matters worse. 

"No Deal or any sort of Deal it does't matter as long as we get Brexit and can get rid of these darkies"

 

Terry ,77, Barnsley 

[Pidge]

45 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

Yes, offer something to the people that voted to leave.

I think offering things that benefit the whole country from a strategic perspective is the only possible way back to some sense of reconciliation.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Barry Wom said:

The problem with no deal on any referendum is too many of the electorate don't understand it. There was a poll a little while back where something like 75% of people who supported no deal actually didn't realise any of the implications. And when you have cunts like Johnson and Raab running round telling people no deal is a clean break, it just makes matters worse. 

Re-word the question from "Do you support No Deal?" to "Do you want your family to take their chances without a flu jab this Winter?" and see if the results differ.

[magicrat]

1 hour ago, Barry Wom said:

I agree, I don't see anyone going for a revoke. But this is much easier from what I can see. Johnson doesn't have a majority. Just do a vote of no confidence and be done with it. The opposition parties will just need to find a way to get together, find a PM and get it extended, then go to the electorate in a GE. The temporary PM could even try to negotiate a 12 month extension so the immediate bullet goes away. 

I don't think a VONC is on the immediate agenda either. Corbyn won't step aside and the other parties won't fall in line although at the 11th hour who knows. Much more likely when Parliament reconvenes and the opposition parties , with the help of Bercow, will try to fix the Benn bill before considering some re-hash of May's turd polished up by Johnson.

 

That will pass but amended to allow a public vote. Johnson either refuses to ask for the necessary extension or resigns. He may not in which case the courts I believe have the power to write to Brussels if the government flout the law.

 

That's today's forecast but who knows tomorrow. 

[Pureblood]

11 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Re-word the question from "Do you support No Deal?" to "Do you want your family to take their chances without a flu jab this Winter?" and see if the results differ.

Fake flus. 

[Captain Turdseye]

From the Independent...

 

Boris Johnson refused to turn up to his own press conference because of noisy protesters against Brexit, in extraordinary scenes in Luxembourg.

Xavier Bettel, the Luxembourg leader went ahead without the British prime minister - standing next to an empty podium as he fiercely criticised him.

Attacking the UK's failure to present fresh proposals to break the impasse, Mr Bettel said - to applause from onlookers - the "clock is ticking" and telling Mr Johnson: "Stop speaking and act."

[Captain Turdseye]

Guardian 

 

Luxembourg PM's press conference - Snap verdict

That was extraordinary. Boris Johnson, the British prime minister, has just been humiliated by the leader of the tiniest country in the European Union.

We were expecting a joint, open-air press conference but, with a large crowd of anti-Brexit campaigners threatening to drown out Johnson, it was announced that the British PM was not going to take part (presumably because of the demonstration, although that has not officially been confirmed yet). Normally in these circumstances the polite thing to do is to re-arrange. But instead Xavier Bettel, the prime minister of Luxembourg, just went ahead anyway, effectively “empty chairing” his guest. At one point he even gestured at the space where Johnson was supposed to be.

And then Xavier just let rip. People often wonder what EU leaders say or think about Johnson in private. Well, now we know. The leave campaign was a pack of lies, Johnson’s talk of progress in the Brexit talk is unfounded, the UK still has not come up with any ideas about an alternative to the backstop. On and on he went, with particular emphasis on the point that the UK, not the EU, was to blame for the crisis. It was a “nightmare” for EU citizens, said Bettel. At several points he was loudly applauded by the protesters, because they felt he was articulating their anger.

[Pureblood]

Another masterclass in politicking.  You reading, Boss?  That's a masterclass from your boy.

[Bjornebye]

 

 

[Barrington Womble]

Fucking hell. Is there a day that passes where you don't think how does this get more mental and then it does? Johnson is such a cunt, yet the twats of this country seem to be lapping this up. 

[sir roger]

56 minutes ago, Captain Turdseye said:

Guardian 

 

Luxembourg PM's press conference - Snap verdict

That was extraordinary. Boris Johnson, the British prime minister, has just been humiliated by the leader of the tiniest country in the European Union.

We were expecting a joint, open-air press conference but, with a large crowd of anti-Brexit campaigners threatening to drown out Johnson, it was announced that the British PM was not going to take part (presumably because of the demonstration, although that has not officially been confirmed yet). Normally in these circumstances the polite thing to do is to re-arrange. But instead Xavier Bettel, the prime minister of Luxembourg, just went ahead anyway, effectively “empty chairing” his guest. At one point he even gestured at the space where Johnson was supposed to be.

And then Xavier just let rip. People often wonder what EU leaders say or think about Johnson in private. Well, now we know. The leave campaign was a pack of lies, Johnson’s talk of progress in the Brexit talk is unfounded, the UK still has not come up with any ideas about an alternative to the backstop. On and on he went, with particular emphasis on the point that the UK, not the EU, was to blame for the crisis. It was a “nightmare” for EU citizens, said Bettel. At several points he was loudly applauded by the protesters, because they felt he was articulating their anger.

That should be good for a 5% increase in the Tory vote. Even being savaged by the real Hulk won't stick.

England really is Fuckwit Central at present.

[cloggypop]

He's more Invisible Man than Hulk. 

[Barrington Womble]

16 minutes ago, cloggypop said:

He's more Invisible Man than Hulk. 

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelPDeacon/status/1173600063408545794?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1173600063408545794&ref_url=file%3A%2F%2F%2Fdata%2Fdata%2Fcom.guardian%2Ffiles%2Fpolitics%2Flive%2F2019%2Fsep%2F16%2Fbrexit-latest-news-boris-johnson-talks-juncker-eu-must-show-flexibility-says-raab-ahead-of-boris-johnsons-key-meeting-with-juncker-live-news-latest-news

 

No idea how you embed the Twitter. 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

He's like a petulant child. 

[lifetime fan]

 

[Anubis]

And with the predictability of a metronome....

 

 

Meanwhile, over at ITV....

 

 

 

[Guest Pistonbroke]

Johnson and the Media will just turn it into another reason to blame the EU to hide their incompetence. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

The Brexit "party" are starting to slag off Boris Johnson. Good news for Labour? If BJ can't deliver Brexit by the 31st, you'd like to think that the leave vote will start to split between Tories and Brexit and the migration of leave votes from Brexit to Tory will practically be wiped out?

 

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Richard Tice

 

@TiceRichard

 

The reality is we're not leaving on October 31st despite the good intentions of the Prime Minister. He is being prevented by the Parliamentary games being played in Westminster. The Brexit Party is campaigning for a clean-break Brexit. Boris can't deliver.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

 

[Barrington Womble]

10 hours ago, Nelly-Torres said:

The Brexit "party" are starting to slag off Boris Johnson. Good news for Labour? If BJ can't deliver Brexit by the 31st, you'd like to think that the leave vote will start to split between Tories and Brexit and the migration of leave votes from Brexit to Tory will practically be wiped out?

 

Conversation

 

 

 

 

Richard Tice

 

@TiceRichard

 

The reality is we're not leaving on October 31st despite the good intentions of the Prime Minister. He is being prevented by the Parliamentary games being played in Westminster. The Brexit Party is campaigning for a clean-break Brexit. Boris can't deliver.

 

 

The state of politics today, I think that's pretty civilised. It's just a set up for the election for them to have the pact Johnson claims they won't have so the brexit party can try to win some labour seats.