Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[cloggypop]

Senior Reporter at Sunday Times:

 

@RosamundUrwin: What's different about the new Yellowhammer document that the government has just published compared with the one I got hold of last month? The heading.
What did the version I had say? BASE SCENARIO
Now what does the new one say? HMG Reasonable Worst Case Planning Assumptions

[Jairzinho]

2 minutes ago, moof said:

I wonder what’s in the redacted bits 

"A shortage of baked beans is to be expected for up to 10 years"

[Bjornebye]

5 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

"A shortage of baked beans is to be expected for up to 10 years"

And in one fell swoop the game swings right back in favour of brexit 

[Scooby Dudek]

Worth it to take back control.

[Chocoholic]

I may be misquoting a genius here, but, it went something like 'Beanz, beanz, beanz, beanz, beanz, etc...'

[Mook]

Most leave voters won't read it & if they do they'll ignore it & go on tweeting union flag smileys & empty soundbites like 'LEAVE MEANS LEAVE' whilst failing to provide anyone with a single benefit to us leaving the EU.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

11 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Worth it to take back control.

That's the sad state of affairs. Hardcore leavers will be adopting that attitude and still giving it the "project fear" shite. 

[Dougie Do'ins]

Parliament suspension: Government refuses to publish No 10 communications

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49670123

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

This will allegedly be the extent of the queues referred to in the Yellowhammer release...

[Anubis]

Twitter detection services in full flow. Speculative, but possible...

 

 

 

 

Clearer version here.

 

 

 

[Red Shift]

9 hours ago, M_B said:

The government would have to declare a State of Emergency, but yes there is a lot more crap to come.

It is a state of emergency.

 

it’s Corbyn, btw, that is withholding a democratic election, not Johnson.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

6 minutes ago, Anubis said:

Twitter detection services in full flow. Speculative, but possible...

 

 

 

 

Clearer version here.

 

 

 

I've been told that it's actually this:

 

“There will be significant loss of human life in our constituencies, but our own investments against the pound, and avoidance of the EU tax evasion laws, will make us rich beyond our wildest dreams.”

[Chocoholic]

Motherfucker! No wonder there's so much clamour for a no-deal. Eyewatering figures

 

 

[Anubis]

36 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

Worth it to take back control.

 

And here they go. This thread is exactly what you’d expect.

 

https://mobile.twitter.com/MarcherLord1/status/1171873048632463360

 

[Vincent Vega]

On 10/09/2019 at 19:25, Jairzinho said:

It can't be anyone that abstained on that welfare bill and/or has spent the last three years doing their utmost to ensure there isn't a socialist government.

 

Or hundreds of thousands of members will clear off and the chances of winning the next election will be nil.

The Labour MPs who defied Harriet Harman and voted against the whip to vote against the welfare bill.

 

Diane Abbot it is then.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/21/labour-disarray-welfare-48-mps-defy-whips

The full list of Labour rebels

Diane Abbott

Debbie Abrahams

David Anderson

Richard Burgon

Dawn Butler

Ann Clwyd

Jeremy Corbyn

Geraint Davies

Peter Dowd

Paul Flynn

Mary Glindon

Roger Godsiff

Helen Goodman

Margaret Greenwood

Louise Haigh

Carolyn Harris

Sue Hayman

Imran Hussain

Gerald Jones

Helen Jones

Sir Gerald Kaufman

Sadiq Khan

David Lammy

Ian Lavery

Clive Lewis

Rebecca Long Bailey

Andy McDonald

John McDonnell

Liz McInnes

Rob Marris

Rachael Maskell

Michael Meacher

Ian Mearns

Madeleine Moon

Grahame Morris

Kate Osamor

Teresa Pearce

Marie Rimmer

Paula Sherriff

Tulip Siddiq

Dennis Skinner

Cat Smith

Jo Stevens

Graham Stringer

David Winnick

Iain Wright

Daniel Zeichner

Kelvin Hopkins (Teller)

[moof]

7 minutes ago, Vincent Vega said:

The Labour MPs who defied Harriet Harman and voted against the whip to vote against the welfare bill.

 

Diane Abbot it is then.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jul/21/labour-disarray-welfare-48-mps-defy-whips

The full list of Labour rebels

Diane Abbott

Debbie Abrahams

David Anderson

Richard Burgon

Dawn Butler

Ann Clwyd

Jeremy Corbyn

Geraint Davies

Peter Dowd

Paul Flynn

Mary Glindon

Roger Godsiff

Helen Goodman

Margaret Greenwood

Louise Haigh

Carolyn Harris

Sue Hayman

Imran Hussain

Gerald Jones

Helen Jones

Sir Gerald Kaufman

Sadiq Khan

David Lammy

Ian Lavery

Clive Lewis

Rebecca Long Bailey

Andy McDonald

John McDonnell

Liz McInnes

Rob Marris

Rachael Maskell

Michael Meacher

Ian Mearns

Madeleine Moon

Grahame Morris

Kate Osamor

Teresa Pearce

Marie Rimmer

Paula Sherriff

Tulip Siddiq

Dennis Skinner

Cat Smith

Jo Stevens

Graham Stringer

David Winnick

Iain Wright

Daniel Zeichner

Kelvin Hopkins (Teller)

No Starmer? Shocking

[Aventus]

16 minutes ago, Chocoholic said:

Motherfucker! No wonder there's so much clamour for a no-deal. Eyewatering figures

 

 

People should be going to prison for this shit. 

[Vincent Vega]

11 minutes ago, moof said:

No Starmer? Shocking

Here’s the list of those who failed to vote against it. This is why Corbyn is the leader now. At least a few of them have been fucked off.

 

Heidi Alexander

Rushanara Ali

Graham Allen

Jon Ashworth

Ian Austin

Adrian Bailey

Kevin Barron

Margaret Beckett

Hilary Benn

Luciana Berger

Clive Betts

Roberta Blackman-Woods

Tom Blenkinsop

Paul Blomfield

Ben Bradshaw

Kevin Brennan

Lyn Brown

Nick Brown

Chris Bryant

Karen Buck

Richard Burden

Andy Burnham

Liam Byrne

Ruth Cadbury

Alan Campbell

Ronnie Campbell

Sarah Champion

Jenny Chapman

Vernon Coaker

Ann Coffey

Julie Cooper

Rosie Cooper

Yvette Cooper

Jo Cox

Neil Coyle

David Crausby

Mary Creagh

Stella Creasy

Jon Cruddas

John Cryer

Judith Cummins

Alex Cunningham

Jim Cunningham

Nicholas Dakin

Simon Danczuk

Wayne David

Gloria De Piero

Thangam Debbonaire

Stephen Doughty

Jim Dowd

Jack Dromey

Michael Dugher

Angela Eagle

Maria Eagle

Clive Efford

Julie Elliott

Louise Ellman

Natascha Engel

Bill Esterson

Chris Evans

Paul Farrelly

Frank Field

Jim Fitzpatrick

Rob Flello

Colleen Fletcher

Caroline Flint

Yvonne Fovargue

Vicky Foxcroft

Mike Gapes

Barry Gardiner

Pat Glass

Kate Green

Lilian Greenwood

Nia Griffith

Andrew Gwynne

Fabian Hamilton

David Hanson

Harriet Harman

Harry Harpham

Helen Hayes

John Healey

Mark Hendrick

Stephen Hepburn

Meg Hillier

Margaret Hodge

Sharon Hodgson

Kate Hoey

Kate Hollern

George Howarth

Lindsay Hoyle

Tristram Hunt

Rupa Huq

Huw Irranca-Davies

Dan Jarvis

Alan Johnson

Diana R. Johnson

Graham Jones

Kevan Jones

Susan Elan Jones

Mike Kane

Barbara Keeley

Liz Kendall

Stephen Kinnock

Peter Kyle

Chris Leslie

Emma Lewell-Buck

Ivan Lewis

Ian Lucas

Fiona Mactaggart

Justin Madders

Khalid Mahmood

Shabana Mahmood

Seema Malhotra

John Mann

Gordon Marsden

Chris Matheson

Steve McCabe

Kerry McCarthy

Siobhain McDonagh

Pat McFadden

Conor McGinn

Alison McGovern

Catherine McKinnell

Alan Meale

Ed Miliband

Jessica Morden

Ian Murray

Lisa Nandy

Melanie Onn

Chi Onwurah

Albert Owen

Matthew Pennycook

Toby Perkins

Jess Phillips

Bridget Phillipson

Steve Pound

Lucy Powell

Yasmin Qureshi

Angela Rayner

Jamie Reed

Steve Reed

Christina Rees

Rachel Reeves

Emma Reynolds

Jonathan Reynolds

Geoffrey Robinson

Stephen Philip Rotheram

Joan Ryan

Naseem Shah

Virendra Sharma

Barry Sheerman

Gavin Shuker

Andrew Slaughter

Ruth Smeeth

Andrew Smith

Angela Smith

Jeff Smith

Nick Smith

Owen Smith

Karin Smyth

John Spellar

Keir Starmer

Wes Streeting

Gisela Stuart

Mark Tami

Gareth Thomas

Nick Thomas-Symonds

Emily Thornberry

Stephen Timms

Jon Trickett

Anna Turley

Karl Turner

Derek Twigg

Stephen Twigg

Chuka Umunna

Keith Vaz

Valerie Vaz

Holly Walker-Lynch

Tom Watson

Catherine West

Alan Whitehead

Phil Wilson

Rosie Winterton

John Woodcock

 

*Edit, the disclaimer below was at the bottom of the article, but I’m pretty sure she would have voted with them.

 

This article has been updated to clarify that Lisa Nandy was on maternity leave at the time of the vote. 5/11/18

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Just reading that the majority of the £100m spent on the "prepare for Brexit" publicity campaign was for a copy of this to be sent to the majority of UK households. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

The leaver reaction to Yellowhammer appears to be that it's just project fear again and these are just worst case scenarios. 

 

It's somewhat strange that leave voters have largely, up until tonight, been ranting about how shite and useless politicians are. But, after the Yellowhammer release, they suddenly view our politicians as now models of competence who will obviously prevent these worst case scenarios from happening. 

[Bjornebye]

"Why won't you publish Yellowhammer?" "Because if we do, we won't get Brexit." "Why not?" "The impacts are so awful, the public would tell us not to do it." "So why are you doing it?" "Because it's what the public wants."

[Lario]

So Project Fear = Hard Facts. 

 

Who'd have thunk it?

 

As for the shorting on Brexit, that's basically Insider Trading from where I'm sitting. 

[Section_31]

Can't believe people are surprised by this shorting thing. When the banks were on the verge of collapse the head of the federal reserve got all the big bosses in a room and basically said they all had to work together to stop the economy collapsing and he reckoned people were making excuses to leave the room so they  could make phone calls to try and make money out of it.

 

This kind of greed is good shit attracts high functioning psychopaths.  They're in the boardroom and in the cabinet office, and they simply don't care whether you live of die.

[M_B]

55 minutes ago, Red Shift said:

It is a state of emergency.

 

it’s Corbyn, btw, that is withholding a democratic election, not Johnson.

Well no it isn't. There are rules for a State of Emergency and as yet they haven't been met.

 

Johnson wants an election to prorogue Parliament again. Corbyn thankfully isn't that stupid.

[Aventus]

18 minutes ago, Lario said:

As for the shorting on Brexit, that's basically Insider Trading from where I'm sitting.