Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Pureblood]

47 minutes ago, SasaS said:

If you had a choice of staying in the EU, but with Conservatives in power, or leaving (May's deal or worse), but getting the Labour government, what would you choose?

Stay in the EU with the Tories until the next GE and hope that the Leave side of the electorate punishes them for being saboteur enemies of the Great British empire.

[SasaS]

19 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

I'd only consider leaving if it was with a Labour Government and on Labour’s terms  (i.e. keeping many of the benefits of remaining). I couldn't support a Labour Party that would agree to May's terms or worse.

 

I'm aware I now sound like Gnasher, but wouldn't that mean, for you it's status quo and stability within the EU first, democratic socialism second? 

 

[magicrat]

3 minutes ago, SasaS said:

 

I'm aware I now sound like Gnasher, but wouldn't that mean, for you it's status quo and stability within the EU first, democratic socialism second? 

 

Why is it a binary choice ?

[SasaS]

41 minutes ago, magicrat said:

Why is it a binary choice ?

 

Because it's a hypothetical scenario which can reveal what someone thinks is a lesser of the two evils, otherwise it makes no sense.  Along the lines of shat upon once or pissed upon every day for a week. So it's stay in the EU, but Tories win at least one more election, so until lets say 2026, or May's or no deal Brexit but Labour immediately wins and wins at least one more, so same year give or take.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, SasaS said:

 

I'm aware I now sound like Gnasher, but wouldn't that mean, for you it's status quo and stability within the EU first, democratic socialism second? 

 

It's not a straight choice; EU membership and democratic Socialism are not mutually exclusive.

 

I don't want the status quo of a neoliberal EU: I want to remain in the EU  (with all the rights and peace-sustaining stability that brings) while working towards greater democratic Socialism. 

[SasaS]

20 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

It's not a straight choice; EU membership and democratic Socialism are not mutually exclusive.

 

I don't want the status quo of a neoliberal EU: I want to remain in the EU  (with all the rights and peace-sustaining stability that brings) while working towards greater democratic Socialism. 

That's a proper politician's answer.

[moof]

3 hours ago, SasaS said:

 

Because it's a hypothetical scenario which can reveal what someone thinks is a lesser of the two evils, otherwise it makes no sense.  Along the lines of shat upon once or pissed upon every day for a week. So it's stay in the EU, but Tories win at least one more election, so until lets say 2026, or May's or no deal Brexit but Labour immediately wins and wins at least one more, so same year give or take.

In that scenario it would be better to leave 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, SasaS said:

That's a proper politician's answer.

It's an honest answer.

 

My missus is always trying to get me with hypotheticals (would you rather be bummed by a dog or bum a donkey? - That sort of thing) and I routinely swerve that game.

[stringvest]

1 minute ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

It's an honest answer.

 

My missus is always trying to get me with hypotheticals (would you rather be bummed by a dog or bum a donkey? - That sort of thing) and I routinely swerve that game.

your missus sounds like a rum lass.

[SasaS]

10 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

It's an honest answer.

 

My missus is always trying to get me with hypotheticals (would you rather be bummed by a dog or bum a donkey? - That sort of thing) and I routinely swerve that game.

 

I think I got my answer and so did the poor donkey. 

[Dr Nowt]

10 minutes ago, stringvest said:

your missus sounds like a rum lass.

Mal’s dog and donkey certainly think so.

[magicrat]

3 hours ago, SasaS said:

 

Because it's a hypothetical scenario which can reveal what someone thinks is a lesser of the two evils, otherwise it makes no sense.  Along the lines of shat upon once or pissed upon every day for a week. So it's stay in the EU, but Tories win at least one more election, so until lets say 2026, or May's or no deal Brexit but Labour immediately wins and wins at least one more, so same year give or take.

I suppose if faced with the hypothetical scenario of Tories in for another term and Remain then I would agree. It's more likely to see the Tories turfed out if we Remain as they will haemorrhage votes to Farage and the other loons in UKIP. Labour needs to suck in the Remain voters and a second referendum seems the most obvious way forward for them. The way to defeat the Tories is ensure they don't deliver Brexit. They would explode.     

[mattyq]

1 hour ago, magicrat said:

I suppose if faced with the hypothetical scenario of Tories in for another term and Remain then I would agree. It's more likely to see the Tories turfed out if we Remain as they will haemorrhage votes to Farage and the other loons in UKIP. Labour needs to suck in the Remain voters and a second referendum seems the most obvious way forward for them. The way to defeat the Tories is ensure they don't deliver Brexit. They would explode.     

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The most important thing is that the Good Friday Agreement would remain intact whereas if we left it'd be fucked as would peace in NornIreland as would the whole not having IRA bombs in our cities thing 

[Strontium]

There's no hypothetical scenario in which leaving the EU is the best option. Happy to help.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

It's an honest answer.

 

My missus is always trying to get me with hypotheticals (would you rather be bummed by a dog or bum a donkey? - That sort of thing) and I routinely swerve that game.

Sounds like someone's planning a birthday surprise for you.

[sir roger]

Hope for AoT's sake they get them the right way round.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Strontium Dog said:

There's no hypothetical scenario in which leaving the EU is the best option. Happy to help.

Of course Stronty . A deep.black hole awaits us.

 

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/norway-ranked-the-best-place-to-live-on-the-planet-2015-12?r=US&IR=T

 

I long for them beautifull far away times when Nick Clegg and David Cameron made a press conference in the rose garden of number 10 and Clegg quiped that him and dave are finding it hard to disagree on anything. They then plunged us into a decade of austerity which chocked the life out of our public services.  We now see a nation of destitution, homelessness, food banks and all out fucking misery.

 

Cameron and Clegg y did untold damage to this country. Its the reason the lib lies were wiped out at the last election. 

 

[Boss]

Clegg and the Lib Dems agreed to back the benefit cuts that killed thousands of mentally ill people because he wanted to impose a plastic bag tax. 

[Rico1304]

18 minutes ago, Boss said:

Clegg and the Lib Dems agreed to back the benefit cuts that killed thousands of mentally ill people because he wanted to impose a plastic bag tax. 

Don’t worry Corbyn will bring them all back to life on his first day. 

[sir roger]

Poor, even by your standards.

[Oh Buoy]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gnasher]

27 minutes ago, Rico1304 said:

Don’t worry Corbyn will bring them all back to life on his first day. 

I hope so rico. I reallt do hope for one time ypu are right, but you wont be, you wont be right. You will be wrong. Sadly you will be wrong.

 

A mate of mine served with this fella. Corbyn didnt take him and Corbyn aint bringiing him back.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/killed-benefits-cuts-starving-soldier-3923771

 

 

 

[Rico1304]

28 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

I hope so rico. I reallt do hope for one time ypu are right, but you wont be, you wont be right. You will be wrong. Sadly you will be wrong.

 

A mate of mine served with this fella. Corbyn didnt take him and Corbyn aint bringiing him back.

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/killed-benefits-cuts-starving-soldier-3923771

 

 

 

I think you are on repeat. I think you are on repeat.   

 

 

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, Boss said:

Clegg and the Lib Dems agreed to back the benefit cuts that killed thousands of mentally ill people because he wanted to impose a plastic bag tax. 

 

Is anything you write true?