Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[pauliescouse]

 

[magicrat]

42 minutes ago, Barry Wom said:

I think you are over estimating the power of the masses in this country. The Tories don't give a shit. The only way they'll back a vote of no confidence in their own government is if they think they can get a new leader, blame all this shit on May and win comfortably. Otherwise their fear of a Corbyn government will ensure they'll sit tight.

 

We've just watched May drag his out from November till now and she only had a 2 weeks Christmas recess to help her along. They'll do a little scramble when they get back from Easter in an attempt to avoid the European elections and then we'll return to can kicking. Then summer recess and when they're back from that we'll be into the last 2 months. Frankly the only way this can stop is if the queen steps in and says it's clear her government is unable to govern. But that's not going to happen. 

 

 

I think there is a big danger it will play out the way you suggest. Time is exceptionally short with local and european elections then the summer recess and there wont be time to organise a second referendum before the end of Oct.

A GE would seem remote given the battering the Tories will likely get at the upcoming polls . 

That said Parliament is dead set against no deal so the only way out would be a second referendum and I would see further extension being granted to carry that out. If there was resolution in sight the EU would go along .

 

[Dr Arthur De Sabre]

1 hour ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

In a general election wouldn't every leave voter vote for farages party, whereas remainers would be split across all the others. 

 

Can you still emigrate with no discernable skills to offer another country?

Bobby bring the folks over to Australia, I’m sure we can get you a 457 visa for being a bloody good forumite or some such shite.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Barry Wom said:

I think you are over estimating the power of the masses in this country. The Tories don't give a shit. The only way they'll back a vote of no confidence in their own government is if they think they can get a new leader, blame all this shit on May and win comfortably. Otherwise their fear of a Corbyn government will ensure they'll sit tight.

 

We've just watched May drag his out from November till now and she only had a 2 weeks Christmas recess to help her along. They'll do a little scramble when they get back from Easter in an attempt to avoid the European elections and then we'll return to can kicking. Then summer recess and when they're back from that we'll be into the last 2 months. Frankly the only way this can stop is if the queen steps in and says it's clear her government is unable to govern. But that's not going to happen. 

 

 

You could be right - especially about the Tories being prepared to trash the entire fucking country rather than "allow" (to use the word Theresa May used in the House of Commons) us to elect a democratic Socialist Government. 

 

I was just suggesting pressure from outside Parliament as being the only hope (however slim) we've got. 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

The problem is, it's not just a fear of a Corbyn government that'd drive them, but a fear of what his version of Brexit would be. If it was just the former, I reckon there's a huge amount of ERGers and the like who'd happily knife May in the back, accept perhaps an election defeat, and start trying to mould the party in their own image for another go in four years.

[Boss]

Corbyn's version of Brexit is Remain and pretending we've left.

[aRdja]

46 minutes ago, Boss said:

Corbyn's version of Brexit is Remain and pretending we've left.

Loads of people accuse him of being a closet brexiteer.

[Mudface]

He's all things to all men.

[Boss]

31 minutes ago, viRdjil said:

Loads of people accuse him of being a closet brexiteer.

 

He is. The apparatus of the party is hardline Remain though and they set the agenda on this issue. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

7 minutes ago, Boss said:

 

He is. The apparatus of the party is hardline Remain though and they set the agenda on this issue. 

Such a deep, deep closet, that he hasn't once expressed personal support for the UK leaving the EU in his 35-year Parliamentary career.

 

Not once.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 hour ago, Boss said:

Corbyn's version of Brexit is Remain and pretending we've left.

Nice of you to finally praise him for something. 

[Boss]

7 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Such a deep, deep closet, that he hasn't once expressed personal support for the UK leaving the EU in his 35-year Parliamentary career.

 

Not once.

During the Labour leadership contest last year, the candidates were regularly asked how they would campaign in the referendum, which we now know is being held on 23 June. At a GMB hustings Mr Corbyn said "I would advocate a No vote if we are going to get an imposition of free market policies across Europe",

 

In another debate, hosted by the Fabian Society, he said he had "mixed feelings" on the EU, and at a hustings in Warrington said he would not rule out campaigning to leave.

[Red Phoenix]

There's nothing wrong with Brexiting if Corbo is elected as PM and he turns the place into a Communist state. We'll no longer have any cash so there'll be no need to worry about it.

 

One of his main issues might be from a group on here trying to egg his Downing Street windows though.

 

I thought it was accepted that he used to be against the EU as well, and that he's just become more "moderate" with him being the leader of the party now, so as not to drive some voters and MP's around the bend? I thought he was in agreement with Tony Benn or something. I personally wouldn't be opposed to us leaving and joining EFTA or something, but only with Labour in power and with a leader like Corbyn. With Tories and the thought of a Trump/May trade "deal" it makes me actually want to stay in the EU. I'd also be interested in what feathers Corbyn would ruffle in the EU if we stayed, that could be great too. Because there's a lot of bullshit in there that needs challenging.

[Barrington Womble]

4 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

You could be right - especially about the Tories being prepared to trash the entire fucking country rather than "allow" (to use the word Theresa May used in the House of Commons) us to elect a democratic Socialist Government. 

 

I was just suggesting pressure from outside Parliament as being the only hope (however slim) we've got. 

The Tories don't care about the country, in fact some disruption just beings opportunity with their outside interests. 

 

As for pressure from the outside, that would have to assume May had anything in mind other than just braving it out and kicking the can despite all sides of the house and the public thinking she's a joke. After the October deadline and we have to go for another and we're only months away from when the Tories can challenge her again, expect all kinds of hell to break loose. In fact that very threat might make the EU think just fuck it and let the October deadline pass. 

2 hours ago, Boss said:

Corbyn's version of Brexit is Remain and pretending we've left.

He must have picked that up from Boris Johnson's have your cake and eat it idea. 

[Gnasher]

The good ol 52%. 

 

Do not click link if youre a champagne socialist, a liberal, a luvvie or a closet tory

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-theresa-may-brexit-next-prime-minster-odds-bookies-a8834791.html

 

 

[Skidfingers McGonical]

17 hours ago, Boss said:

During the Labour leadership contest last year, the candidates were regularly asked how they would campaign in the referendum, which we now know is being held on 23 June. At a GMB hustings Mr Corbyn said "I would advocate a No vote if we are going to get an imposition of free market policies across Europe",

 

In another debate, hosted by the Fabian Society, he said he had "mixed feelings" on the EU, and at a hustings in Warrington said he would not rule out campaigning to leave.

Wheres that from Boss?

[Gnasher]

Front page Torygraph 

 

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2019/04/13/tories-face-election-wipe-party-course-lose-60-seats-hand-corbyn/

[AngryOfTuebrook]

18 hours ago, Boss said:

During the Labour leadership contest last year, the candidates were regularly asked how they would campaign in the referendum, which we now know is being held on 23 June. At a GMB hustings Mr Corbyn said "I would advocate a No vote if we are going to get an imposition of free market policies across Europe",

 

In another debate, hosted by the Fabian Society, he said he had "mixed feelings" on the EU, and at a hustings in Warrington said he would not rule out campaigning to leave.

"I would advocate a No vote, if..." is really not the same as "I advocate a No vote".

 

"Mixed feelings" is not the same as the unmixed feelings that, say, Tony Benn or Bob Crow had.

 

Not ruling something out is not the same as saying you support it.

 

All you've really done is prove that he's put some thought into his position - and he's been open about his thought processes  - but he's never once explicitly called for the UK to leave the EU. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

The good ol 52%. 

 

Do not click link if youre a champagne socialist, a liberal, a luvvie or a closet tory

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/corbyn-theresa-may-brexit-next-prime-minster-odds-bookies-a8834791.html

 

 

A narrow Remain win would have left the Tories equally divided. It probably would have prevented the "crush the saboteurs" election in 2017, leaving us on course for a Labour GE win in 2020. In other words, we're not really any closer to stopping Tory austerity than we would have been if it weren't for "the good old 52%" voting to take rights away from working people and  giving racists and Fascists encouragement to commit ever more acts of intimidation and violence.

[Rico1304]

FOI request shows that Dyson has been claiming EU grants on his farm. 

[Gnasher]

17 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

A narrow Remain win would have left the Tories equally divided. It probably would have prevented the "crush the saboteurs" election in 2017, leaving us on course for a Labour GE win in 2020. In other words, we're not really any closer to stopping Tory austerity than we would have been if it weren't for "the good old 52%" voting to take rights away from working people and  giving racists and Fascists encouragement to commit ever more acts of intimidation and violence.

 

Sorry but a narrow remain win would have been herolded by dave and george as a win, like they did with the Scottish independence vote.

 

Corbyn was miles behind in all polls and was ridiculed by most during the Cameron years.

 

The result of the 2017 election speaks for itself. The conservative party lost its majority, it.was seen as a victory for Corbyn and wounded may. It also led to the country turning its back on the previous 10 years austerity.

 

Your last paragraph is so ridiculous it merits no comment whatsover.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

Sorry but a narrow remain win would have been herolded by dave and george as a win, like they did with the Scottish independence vote.

 

Corbyn was miles behind in all polls and was ridiculed by most during the Cameron years.

 

The result of the 2017 election speaks for itself. The conservative party lost its majority, it.was seen as a victory for Corbyn and wounded may. It also led to the country turning its back on the previous 10 years austerity.

 

Your last paragraph is so ridiculous it merits no comment whatsover.

Drivel riddled with logical inconsistencies and a cowardly refusal to face facts.

 

Gnash gotta Gnash.

[Gnasher]

26 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Drivel riddled with logical inconsistencies and a cowardly refusal to face facts.

 

Gnash gotta Gnash.

But my post contains facts. Maybe my writing dosn't make it clear.Here you go..

 

The vote was no. Fact.

 

The tory prime minister resigned. Fact.

 

The tory party lost its majority at the last election. Fact.

 

The lib dems (remember them) were smashed. Clegg resigned . Fact.

 

Contless tory minisiters have either resigned or been sacked in tory split over brexit. Fact.

 

The conservative party is split and wounded over brexit.Fact.

 

 

Jeremy Corbyn is today bookies favourite to become next prime minister. Fact.

 

Now imo the majority of the above events (and i could have listed more) would not have happend ïf it wasnt for the no vote. If you believe otherwise then youve taken leave of reality.

[Boss]

1 hour ago, Skidfingers McGonical said:

Wheres that from Boss?

BBC news.