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Should the UK remain a member of the EU


Anny Road
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  1. 1. Should the UK remain a member of the EU

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Here's some more details of what happened with Jezzinho when he walked out last night :

 

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Barry Gardiner, the shadow secretary of state for international trade, told the Today programme that Corbyn had already held a “20-minute, one-on-one” conversation with Theresa May and that the meeting the Labour leader left was actually with David Lidington, the de facto deputy prime minister.

He also said that participants in the meeting Corbyn missed later said that the prime minister had refused to cede any ground on her red lines.

Gardiner defended Corbyn’s walkout by questioning the legitimacy of the Independent Group. Speaking to BBC Breakfast, he said:

 

Political parties have transparency about their funding arrangements. The Independent Group does not. My understanding is that they were there not for that meeting originally.

They were there for a meeting with David Lidington and because No 10 didn’t get its meetings sorted out they happened to be in the same room, it was chaos.

It is not about the process it is about the substance. The people who came out of that meeting said ‘this meeting was simply for show, this meeting was simply so she could pretend that she was listening.’ She did not listen, she has not changed her red lines, she is not willing to compromise.

 

From Guardian live : https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2019/mar/21/brexit-latest-news-eu-summit-article-50-extension-theresa-may-appeal-to-nation-backfires-as-mps-accuse-her-of-stoking-hate-politics-live

 

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16 minutes ago, Mudface said:

Oof, she's been told the extension can only be until the 22nd of May, rather than the 30th of June.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/21/brexit-eu-rejects-theresa-may-request-delay-control

There should be no extension because we're just going to go round on this merry-go-round for another 6 or 7 weeks. Parliament is broken, leaders and MPs have not got the spine to make any decision, it should just be made for them. 

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So, the UK is still crashing out with no deal in a week unless May's deal is accepted, with a possibility the EU may agree to a 22 May extension. in which time, if May's deal is dead and there will be no second referendum and Labour does not support either long extension or remaining in the EU, will happen... exactly what?

There is still no majority for other proposals (even if there was time and willingness on the part of the EU to renegotiate) and no chance of a General Election.

 

 

May will resign, Conservatives will elect a new leader more to the right and oversee trade talks in an environment of a disorderly separation from the EU over the next two years. How is this seen as a good thing?

 

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7 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

No deal and a full on purge of our democracy is the best hope now.

10 more years of austerity may be a price worth paying for the destruction of the Conservative Party. I hope we can still claim dole.

10 years was just because we lost 2% of our GDP. You could probably take it up to half a century before we even get back to where we are now when, as I expect, No Deal happens next Friday.

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I don't think it would lead to their destruction. They've more than willing to blame everyone else but themselves and sadly there's a decent number of people who are receptive to their divide and rule tactics. Expect the blame-shifting to go into overdrive if the worst comes to the worst.

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38 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

It’s not popular but Corbyn has been completely fucking inept.If Labour can’t oust this lot now they have no hope. I like him but get rid. He is unelectable.

He's a Brexiteer. He's also trapped by a non partisan issue cutting across party lines and his MP's constituencies. His only real focus is to make sure the Tories own Brexit.

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3 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

This constant portrayal of leave voters as moronic racists idiots will be the undoing of the remain campaign.

Racist. It's true though none of the remain side have reached across attempting to understand why people object to the status quo.

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4 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

This constant portrayal of leave voters as moronic racists idiots will be the undoing of the remain campaign.

 

If you meant me with that first image, I was taking the piss out of Farage's march as in them being a bit stone age and stupid. Can't see it making one bit of difference what they're doing and it wasn't meant to say they're racist. Have argued against the exact same thing in the past too. I didn't vote in the referendum either, not a remainer. Neutral to the whole thing really because I think both options are shit.

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6 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

This constant portrayal of leave voters as moronic racists idiots will be the undoing of the remain campaign.

Yeah, because reactionary votes based on hurt feelings rather than the actual matter at hand is a great way to dispel that notion.

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