Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[magicrat]

My view is now that she will find a way to get MV back next week and MPs will be told it will be this and a short delay or a long delay to hold another in/out referendum. It will be close but I fear it pass with Mogcunt and the Ulster loons on board.  Some Labour MPs will see her over the line.

[Anubis]

Stephen Barclay doing some Brexitscaring this morning.

 

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What has become very clear from the speaker’s ruling yesterday is, for my Brexit colleagues, I think they can see that there is a growing risk of no Brexit.

 

[Pidge]

14 hours ago, Boss said:

The plan is to extend and kick the can down the road until a point where they can u turn and remain. They are trying to do it in a way where the kick off will be tempered by the sheer amount of time they've spent fart-arsing around it. 

It wouldn't have been difficult to build a mandate to remain if that was the intention, no reason to make such an aim subject to legal and regulatory deadlines, or exposed to veto.  Senior Tories left incompetents holding the baby while brexiteers have either fucked off completely, sniped from the sidelines or played a lead role in said fart-arsing.

[Pureblood]

25 minutes ago, Pidge said:

It wouldn't have been difficult to build a mandate to remain if that was the intention, no reason to make such an aim subject to legal and regulatory deadlines, or exposed to veto.  Senior Tories left incompetents holding the baby while brexiteers have either fucked off completely, sniped from the sidelines or played a lead role in said fart-arsing.

But apart from that it's a great plan.

[Numero Veinticinco]

I can't help but like John Bercow. The big ol' Tory posho.

[Dr Nowt]

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, Anubis said:

Stephen Barclay doing some Brexitscaring this morning.

 

 

Imagine that scenario, if we were left with the economic, political and legal framework which has served us for 46 years and which nearly half of the electorate voted to keep. 

 

What a fucking nightmare that would be. 

[Boss]

2 hours ago, Pidge said:

It wouldn't have been difficult to build a mandate to remain if that was the intention, no reason to make such an aim subject to legal and regulatory deadlines, or exposed to veto.  Senior Tories left incompetents holding the baby while brexiteers have either fucked off completely, sniped from the sidelines or played a lead role in said fart-arsing.

 

It's the general public they fear upsetting, not fellow MP's. They have to be seen to be trying to deliver a workable Brexit, when they really want Remain. They're trying to shirk responsibility so when Brexit fails, they can blame it on a scapegoat. May can say she did all she could and the MP's thwarted her. The ERG can say they tried to deliver the Brexit 52% of the voters asked for and it was the EU that gave us a terrible deal. Corbyn and Labour can say they allowed article 50 to pass and campaigned on a manifesto of delivering Brexit - although their version of Brexit is basically Remain.

 

Nobody wants to take responsibility for calling the whole thing off. That's why there's this pageantry going on, in the hope that a decision comes by default. 

[clangers]

We live in a representative parliamentary democracy and a single advisory referendum doesn't change that. It would be perfectly reasonable for our elected representatives to go back to the population and say that we just can't deliver this. The right wingers and head banger Brexiteer's are spinning their own version of project fear here.

 

It's sounding like a real mess now with the leaks coming out of cabinet, I'm guessing May has now lost it completely? Does not compute. If she goes for a potential 2 year extension the Tory party will turn on her and she'll be out. I'm not even convinced the EU will grant an extension now as May doesn't appear to be able to explain what the extension is for? Her only reason for an extension is to keep asking parliament to vote on her deal.

 

She's right up there now with the worst PM's of all time, hell even someone as deranged and despicable as Thatcher would do a better job.

[clangers]

It would also help if the likes of the BBC stopped giving an MEP named Nigel Farage such a disproportionate amount of air time. He isn't even involved in the process.

[Dr Nowt]

2 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I can't help but like John Bercow. The big ol' Tory posho.

Likewise. Setting politics aside for a second, some people are just amusing as characters. Rees-Mogg is another. 

[skend04]

Looks like a big fuck you from the EU. As I said previously it looks like an extension isn't forthcoming easily if at all. Best start stockpiling people.

[Mudface]

Taking back control...

 

I wonder if blue passports are edible.

[Red Phoenix]

17 hours ago, Boss said:

The plan is to extend and kick the can down the road until a point where they can u turn and remain.

 

Agreed, have thought this for a while now. I think all of the drama about us possibly exiting shortly is complete bullshit.

 

12 minutes ago, skend04 said:

Looks like a big fuck you from the EU. As I said previously it looks like an extension isn't forthcoming easily if at all. Best start stockpiling people.

 

I'm stockpiling PS4 games so leave them alone.

[Vincent Vega]

Unbelievable 

 

 

[Scooby Dudek]

1 hour ago, clangers said:

It would also help if the likes of the BBC stopped giving an MEP named Nigel Farage such a disproportionate amount of air time. He isn't even involved in the process.

The amount of air time given to him and anti Europe view points before and during the campaign by the BBC was disgustingly bias. 

 

Even now despite Parliament being approx 75% remain the amount of brexit supporting MPs they have on is quite amazing.

[skend04]

https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/blog/changing-eu-exit-day-by-statutory-instrument

 

Peston just tweeted this article. If parliament doesn't start the proceedings to remove March 29th from the EU Withdrawal Act on Monday we will be in breach of international treaties and are going out on a No Deal. Would need the EU to agree to an extension by Sunday evening too.

 

Not. Looking. Good.

 

[clangers]

1 hour ago, skend04 said:

https://www.hansardsociety.org.uk/blog/changing-eu-exit-day-by-statutory-instrument

 

Peston just tweeted this article. If parliament doesn't start the proceedings to remove March 29th from the EU Withdrawal Act on Monday we will be in breach of international treaties and are going out on a No Deal. Would need the EU to agree to an extension by Sunday evening too.

 

Not. Looking. Good.

 

That's quite worrying if you fear a no-deal Brexit. The sense that parliament has been existing in an alternate universe for several months and that simply voting against a no-deal in a non-binding motion despite it not being in parliaments gift is startling. All it really takes now is for one or two EU states to start wrangling or laying down their own red lines for a few days and we're out. Watching yet another BBC right-winger (Andrew Neil) arrogantly stating that there was no chance the EU wouldn't offer us an extension a couple of days ago was astonishing.

 

Costco and Makro trade cards at the ready!

[Dr Nowt]

 

[clangers]

Most of the Brexiteer's have shifted their position completely and remained unchallenged. Johnson, Mogg, Farage and Patterson have all stated a preference for a soft political only Brexit in the past. 

 

Bear in mind that Owen Patterson is basically a conspiracy theorist and believes it's an organised conspiracy from the EU, UK, all UK industry and public sector to thwart Brexit.

[magicrat]

The hubris of this cheeky twat is incredible. Hypocrisy obviously doesn't feature in the American English Dictionary

 

 

The current deadlock over Brexit and possible delay to the UK's planned leaving date of 29 March suggests democracy in the UK is "all but dead", Donald Trump Jr has claimed.

Mr Trump Jr, who is the US president's son but holds no political position, wrote a column in the Daily Telegraph.

In it, he criticises PM Theresa May for having "ignored advice from my father".

Mr Trump Jr added that "the will of the people is likely to be ignored" because of "elite" politicians in Brussels.

The US businessman's intervention in UK politics comes with nine days to go until the UK's scheduled departure from the EU.

In an interview with Sky News, US National Security Adviser John Bolton said US President Donald Trump wanted a resolution that allowed the US and Britain "to come to trade deals again".

He added: "He sees huge opportunity if Britain's status can be resolved."

[Bobby Hundreds]

I don't get the outrage from the likes of the mail and it's readers over bercows decision. They didn't want mays shitty deal anyway.

[magicrat]

16 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

I don't get the outrage from the likes of the mail and it's readers over bercows decision. They didn't want mays shitty deal anyway.

Brexit aside their readers have always been a special species of ill informed backward looking idiots, 

 

[Anubis]

I remember the day after the Brexit vote when the Mail did a realistic piece on the effects, and the comments section was full of Mailers bemoaning that if they’d known the effects (all fairly obvious and widely publicised by Remain in the run up) they’d have never have voted leave.

[Anny Road]

At PMQ's she has basically blamed Parliament for the chaos. They need to except the responsibility and stop wasting the peoples time. She has done her bit but Parliament keeps delaying her wonderful deal. Any delay longer than June and she will go, in so many words, although you never know with her. Even her own MP's are fuming apparently.

I think she has just hammered the final nails in her coffin. Reject MV3 and she is gone.