Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Watching May trying to get support for her Bill is like watching Weekend At Bernie's: it died before Christmas; she's fooling nobody by sticking a hat and sunglasses on it.

[Denny Crane]

The gimp XI submitting the motion for a PV last week now looks even stupider just to get some cheap publicity. 

[magicrat]

The problem with Bercow doing this is that Maybot has a scapegoat . But hell that's better than her bludgeoning and bribing it through the Commons. Expect massive fume from the Tory nutjobs. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 minute ago, clangers said:

Apparently the way round this for May is to bring a motion starting a new session but that would have to pass the house? However even if she managed to get that past once she'd only be able to bring her deal back once before being back to square one. It's unlikely that parliament would keep voting for a new session just so May can keep bringing her deal back. Crikey!

The obvious way out of the impasse - the only one which can honestly be said to be in the public interest - is to admit that this Government and this Parliament will never agree a Brexit deal (or agree to stop Brexit) so it's time for a General Election. 

[Anny Road]

Just now, AngryofTuebrook said:

The obvious way out of the impasse - the only one which can honestly be said to be in the public interest - is to admit that this Government and this Parliament will never agree a Brexit deal (or agree to stop Brexit) so it's time for a General Election. 

Both main parties will stand on a leave platform. Gets us nowhere.

Best remain supports can hope for is 2nd referendum or Labours customs union proposed.

[skend04]

This comment from James Cleverly sums up the Tory games over Brexit:

 

James Cleverly, a Conservative, says if Bercow had made this ruling earlier, MPs might have realised that last week was their last chance to vote for the Brexit deal. They might have voted differently, he says.

 

2 weeks left and with the way it stands, the excuse for an extension is disappearing into the sunset too!

[Jenson]

2 hours ago, SasaS said:

Could this somewhere where you heard that be the backseat of a taxi by any chance?

Well, it was a blue taxi so.......

[Red Phoenix]

If the Tories don't like what Bercow has said there's only two logical steps left : egg Bercow in parliament, then try running off with the mace.

 

I bet the mace itself would sell for a decent bit on ebay if they could get it out of there too.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

40 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

Both main parties will stand on a leave platform. Gets us nowhere.

Best remain supports can hope for is 2nd referendum or Labours customs union proposed.

Labour's policy (for now, at least) is

1. Negotiate a Brexit that meets the 6 tests (which - whisper it - would not be that far from remaining);

2. Try to get that through Parliament; and, if deemed necessary at the time 

3. A referendum to leave on those terms or to remain.

 

It really is the best that's on offer for remainers: at least it offers a plausible hope for remaining.

[Anny Road]

This will require a long extension of Art 50. As it stands that looks highly unlikely.

[Bobby Hundreds]

Do the 6 tests meet the EU's requirements or is it more pipe dream stuff. Is what Labour is asking achievable?

[Anny Road]

1 minute ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Do the 6 tests meet the EU's requirements or is it more pipe dream stuff. Is what Labour is asking achievable?

We cannot be in the customs union and have single market access and negotiate independent trade deals

[Anubis]

1 hour ago, SasaS said:

They are saying May won't be submitting it if she doesn't have the support (DUP), and if she has the votes, would the Speaker really prevent the parliament from accepting the deal?

The DUP alone don’t guarantee a win. Even with the DUP there is no guarantee the whole of the ERG will change direction and it doesn’t account for all Tory rebels.

 

These comments are from ex-DUP minister, Jim Wells, were reported in the Guardian today. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/18/dup-backing-will-not-secure-may-brexit-deal-says-jim-wells

 

...Jim Wells, who was the DUP’s minister for health in the Northern Ireland assembly, said he believed up to 30 Tories would still vote against the plan.

 

“So even with the DUP support, I think it’s inevitable that Theresa May, if she pushes a third vote, will go to yet another defeat,” he told BBC Radio 4’s Today programme.

 

“The numbers just don’t stack up. While the DUP have an important role it’s not utterly crucial.”

 

[Denny Crane]

Labour wrote a letter in early Feb that revised the 6 tests down to 5. It was welcomed by the EU. It seems to me that if parliament agreed such a deal Labour would then support a vote to ratify the deal with remain on the ballot. The question is what else would be on the ballot? 

 

Maybe other options might come out of the mooted indicative votes but it's quite clear we can't waste any more time pissing about with May's deal. Parliament has to work together. 

 

https://labourlist.org/2019/02/eu-welcomes-corbyns-brexit-letter/

 

[Megadrive Man]

2 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Wasn't May a remainer. It's idyllic but I can't help but feel that in her position she'd gain far more respect if she was just honest. 

She's a conservative prime minister...

[Megadrive Man]

1 hour ago, clangers said:

Apparently the way round this for May is to bring a motion starting a new session but that would have to pass the house? However even if she managed to get that past once she'd only be able to bring her deal back once before being back to square one. It's unlikely that parliament would keep voting for a new session just so May can keep bringing her deal back. Crikey!

Surely the only mps that would vote to bring a motion to start a new session would be ones that wanted to vote for her deal, so if that were to pass, her deal would pass?

[Anubis]

Downing Street was blindsided by the announcement and unable to give a response at its regular afternoon briefing for journalists. “The speaker did not forewarn us of the content of his statement or the fact that he was making one, and we’ve just gone and bunged the fucking Stormont cunts another billion in unmarked bills in a fucking steamer trunk, and it’s all for nothing,” May’s spokeswoman said.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

35 minutes ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

Do the 6 tests meet the EU's requirements or is it more pipe dream stuff. Is what Labour is asking achievable?

Starmer, Thornberry, Corbyn et al have discussed the proposals several times with the key people in the EU and the consensus is that they are credible.

[Anubis]

When in trouble, engage your PR people. Over to Laura....

 

 

 

 

It seems to me the erstwhile government minister is talking out of his jackseat.

[Denny Crane]

 

 

 

[Dr Nowt]

Surprised they’re up in arms, given they all have such scrupulous regard for democracy.

 

Fucking slow-hand clap to the bellend who went off early with the People’s Vote motion last week, though.

 

Only one place this is going, and that’s Brexiteers of all stripes insisting the same standard is applied to the other motions turned down last week. 

[Anubis]

14 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

 

 

 

 

Ben Wallace: “Hello. MI:6? Er, this is the Security Minister. I was, er, just wondering, do you have a real 00 section....”

[SasaS]

 

[Mudface]

'TMC' stands for Total Mad Cunt, I take it.

[Captain Howdy]

Is it possible that time will simply run out and we leave with no deal? Mays deal is dead and Europe say they will only grant an extension for a meaningful reason? Could be heading only one way with time running out quickly