Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[skend04]

87% of tariffs to be slashed to zero in a no deal scenario. Goodbye farming and manufacturing and best thing, Fox will be out of a job as there'll be no need for trade deals.

[Trumo]

12 hours ago, TK421 said:

Extending article 50 will give us extra time for stockpiling fries.

 

True.

[Rico1304]

Car imports 10-22%.  Something about the German car industry not allowing it. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

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Any MP who votes for this deserves a sledgehammer to the bollocks or minge.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Hammond is coming back to the House to try to bribe MPs to accept a deal that was dead before Christmas. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

There has been a lot of scenario charts on the news. The ‘what happens if they vote’ type things. I haven’t seen one where it says MP vote down May’s deal, vote to reject No-Deal, vote for an extension, but then the extension not be granted. If it isn’t granted, having ruled out no deal, we then surely must either stay or have another referendum? 

[Pureblood]

7 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

There has been a lot of scenario charts on the news. The ‘what happens if they vote’ type things. I haven’t seen one where it says MP vote down May’s deal, vote to reject No-Deal, vote for an extension, but then the extension not be granted. If it isn’t granted, having ruled out no deal, we then surely must either stay or have another referendum? 

My understanding is that if an extension is not granted we would leave at the end of this month with no deal.  Paragraph 3 of Article 50 reads:-

 

3.   The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

[No2]

That tariff stuff is fucking insane. How do they think the EU will react to that? 

 

Any business in the EU could now set up an office in the UK, import ships full of Chinese toys*  at zero rates and then ship them onto to mainland Europe at whatever the agreed rate is. Logically that rate has to be so severe it stops this scenario at sourve which in turn cripples British exports.

 

* I haven't looked at the specific tariffs, just using that as an example.

[Anny Road]

Looking at buying a farm that straddles the Irish border. No cows just Chinese imports in one gate and out the other. £££.

[Denny Crane]

My thoughts are that parliament will have to override May's red lines if she wont. She has two of the four biggest parliamentary defeats on her deal ever recorded. It's understandable that the EU would reject if it was an extension for May to keep resubmitting her deal. But if there was a change in negotiating position from the UK they would be far more receptive. 

[Numero Veinticinco]

19 minutes ago, TK421 said:

My understanding is that if an extension is not granted we would leave at the end of this month with no deal.  Paragraph 3 of Article 50 reads:-

 

3.   The Treaties shall cease to apply to the State in question from the date of entry into force of the withdrawal agreement or, failing that, two years after the notification referred to in paragraph 2, unless the European Council, in agreement with the Member State concerned, unanimously decides to extend this period.

But if parliament votes to reject no deal, and there’s no extension, we would have to withdraw article 50? 

 

I genuinelu dont kniw the answer to that. Maybe @Strontium Dog knows?

[Anny Road]

The EU must be pissing themselves. We are negotiating with ourselves not them.

We should have agreed position before we triggered art 50.

Wankers the lot of them.

[Strontium]

1 minute ago, Hank Moody said:

But if parliament votes to reject no deal, and there’s no extension, we would have to withdraw article 50? 

 

I genuinelu dont kniw the answer to that. Maybe @Strontium Dog knows?

 

If nothing changes, we are leaving the EU without a deal on March 29th. That is the default position as it stands.

 

We can unilaterally withdraw Article 50, but an extension must be approved by the EU.

[Anny Road]

Just now, Strontium Dog said:

 

If nothing changes, we are leaving the EU without a deal on March 29th. That is the default position as it stands.

 

We can unilaterally withdraw Article 50, but an extension must be approved by the EU.

SD is right. It’s in law. It requires statutory change to not leave.

[No2]

3 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

If nothing changes, we are leaving the EU without a deal on March 29th. That is the default position as it stands.

 

We can unilaterally withdraw Article 50, but an extension must be approved by the EU.

Do you need parliament to vote through a withdrawal of article 50 or can May just do It?

[skend04]

14 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

Looking at buying a farm that straddles the Irish border. No cows just Chinese imports in one gate and out the other. £££.

There are homes that do it. Less of an outlay too. 

[Anny Road]

1 minute ago, skend04 said:

There are homes that do it. Less of an outlay too. 

I know a bloke in Armagh he does it with fuel.

[skend04]

3 minutes ago, No2 said:

Do you need parliament to vote through a withdrawal of article 50 or can May just do It?

Needs to be done in line with our parliamentary procedures, that was the judgement from that court case. There's no need for a referendum, especially since the Gina Miller case said that it's an advisory instrument only.

[Jairzinho]

[Numero Veinticinco]

12 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

If nothing changes, we are leaving the EU without a deal on March 29th. That is the default position as it stands.

 

We can unilaterally withdraw Article 50, but an extension must be approved by the EU.

I know this, but what I’m saying is if parliament vote to reject a no deal, that takes the no deal off the table so if an extension isn’t granted, we have no choice but to withdraw Article 50. Is that how you see it?

[Anny Road]

As a leave voter I have to say this is a fucking con.

 

Ask me again do I wish to leave the EU I would say yes. Ask me do I want carnage I say no. Charges should be brought against the lying twats that orchestrated this. Treason.

If the country had no fucking idea how it was going to negotiate this the question should never have been asked.

[Hand Shandy]

2 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

As a leave voter I have to say this is a fucking con.

 

Ask me again do I wish to leave the EU I would say yes. Ask me do I want carnage I say no. Charges should be brought against the lying twats that orchestrated this. Treason.

If the country had no fucking idea how it was going to negotiate this the question should never have been asked.

Ding ding ding!

 

We have a winner!

[SilverSong]

26 minutes ago, Hank Moody said:

But if parliament votes to reject no deal, and there’s no extension, we would have to withdraw article 50? 

 

I genuinelu dont kniw the answer to that. Maybe @Strontium Dog knows?

Thats my take on it.

No deal ruled out, extension denied = revoke (prob following paliamentary vote).

[Spy Bee]

I voted Leave, and I would again, but the kind of Leave Labour are talking about, not No Deal, and not Theresa's thang.

 

The problems started with a binary vote about something so complicated. It then was compounded by triggering Article 50 without a fucking clue what we were doing. It was then further compounded by this useless Prime Minister doing nothing for the best part of two years. She then kicked the can down the road while making absolutely no headway at all.

 

It's a complete clusterfuck!

[Anny Road]

15 minutes ago, Spy Bee said:

I voted Leave, and I would again, but the kind of Leave Labour are talking about, not No Deal, and not Theresa's thang.

 

The problems started with a binary vote about something so complicated. It then was compounded by triggering Article 50 without a fucking clue what we were doing. It was then further compounded by this useless Prime Minister doing nothing for the best part of two years. She then kicked the can down the road while making absolutely no headway at all.

 

It's a complete clusterfuck!

Here here. I don’t even mind if it costs us more to remain outside the political spectrum with access to the market. Just let them get on with it and let’s continue trading as friends.