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Should the UK remain a member of the EU


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  1. 1. Should the UK remain a member of the EU

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https://www.ft.com/content/c44581c2-1a75-11e9-9e64-d150b3105d21

 

The Right Honourable, Mr Liam Fox

 

"We’re going to replicate the 40 EU free trade agreements that exist before we leave the European Union so we’ve got no disruption of trade,” said Mr Fox shortly after the Article 50 exit process was triggered in 2017. “Believe me, we’ll have up to 40 ready for one second after midnight in March 2019."

 

The Right Honourable, Mr Reality

 

“Almost none of them are ready to go now and none will be ready to go by March,” said one government official who has seen the internal analysis of the Department of International Trade’s progress.

 

David Henig, a former DIT official, said progress had been made on some deals, most notably a bilateral pact that was signed last month with Switzerland. But Mr Henig warned that details of the Swiss pact were vague. "The department is starting to discover what trade experts have known for a long time, which is that it’s difficult to complete trade deals whether they are new ones or replacements,” said Mr Henig. “Businesses who have been in meetings with DIT certainly feel that many of the deals won’t be in place on time.”

 

 

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1 hour ago, moof said:

Only gullible idiots think she’s an imbecile. Her distinguished career has proven she’s worthy of respect. 

Anyone who watches her on whatever-the Beeb-are-calling-their-politics-show-this-week show will know she is smart and insightful. The problem is that she lacks the inate ability to bullshit her way out of a corner. This makes her a better human being than most of her peers, but it makes for a terrible politician.

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8 minutes ago, deiseach said:

Anyone who watches her on whatever-the Beeb-are-calling-their-politics-show-this-week show will know she is smart and insightful. The problem is that she lacks the inate ability to bullshit her way out of a corner. This makes her a better human being than most of her peers, but it makes for a terrible politician.

She’s obviously smart, or at least has been.  But her complete inability to think on her feet and patronising facial expressions make her car crash TV. She might be ok if she had the questions in advance and could write the response but on the TV she’s a liability.  

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1 hour ago, M_B said:

https://www.ft.com/content/c44581c2-1a75-11e9-9e64-d150b3105d21

 

The Right Honourable, Mr Liam Fox

 

"We’re going to replicate the 40 EU free trade agreements that exist before we leave the European Union so we’ve got no disruption of trade,” said Mr Fox shortly after the Article 50 exit process was triggered in 2017. “Believe me, we’ll have up to 40 ready for one second after midnight in March 2019."

 

The Right Honourable, Mr Reality

 

“Almost none of them are ready to go now and none will be ready to go by March,” said one government official who has seen the internal analysis of the Department of International Trade’s progress.

 

David Henig, a former DIT official, said progress had been made on some deals, most notably a bilateral pact that was signed last month with Switzerland. But Mr Henig warned that details of the Swiss pact were vague. "The department is starting to discover what trade experts have known for a long time, which is that it’s difficult to complete trade deals whether they are new ones or replacements,” said Mr Henig. “Businesses who have been in meetings with DIT certainly feel that many of the deals won’t be in place on time.”

 

 

Don't worry, mogg has said we'll implement unilateral free imports to all countries from day one and worry about bilateral later. Cheap goods to give the economy a quick boost, followed by a massive crash once the reality of we export fuck all anymore sinks in. 

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27 minutes ago, rico1304 said:

She’s obviously smart, or at least has been.  But her complete inability to think on her feet and patronising facial expressions make her car crash TV. She might be ok if she had the questions in advance and could write the response but on the TV she’s a liability.  

But that's enough about Theresa May.

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25 minutes ago, rico1304 said:

She’s obviously smart, or at least has been.  But her complete inability to think on her feet and patronising facial expressions make her car crash TV. She might be ok if she had the questions in advance and could write the response but on the TV she’s a liability.  

As a person I like her and think she has balls but she is a PR disaster for Labour . Mind you much the same could be said of Corbyn at times. The question is always the same, do you want people to lead that have integrity or people that can win an election ? Seems the two are seldom compatible.

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1 minute ago, Barry Wom said:

he won't go away though. and to be fair, he is less bloated these days! 

He is another one who is given free publicity, which keeps him in the public eye. Entire speech of a back bench M.P. shown live on Sky. 

 

They don't report the news, they shape it.

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5 hours ago, skend04 said:

I can't find the manifestos before the Blair years. Can you link them please.

Here's one for you. Scroll down to the britain and the common market and ye shall find. It was the general consensus amongst socialists of that time.

 

They were probably all racist bigots back then though.

 

http://www.politicsresources.net/area/uk/man/lab83.htm#Common

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1 hour ago, rico1304 said:

She’s obviously smart, or at least has been.  But her complete inability to think on her feet and patronising facial expressions make her car crash TV. She might be ok if she had the questions in advance and could write the response but on the TV she’s a liability.  

And there's the rub. She's not "good TV" in the way, say, Jacob Rees-Mogg or Nigel Farage are. And that, in popular opinion, trumps all other accomplishments and abilities she may have.

 

It's the prevalence of that sort of thinking that saddles us with the shitshow we have instead of a functioning democracy. 

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Even if there's a second referendum it still creates two issues, both of which are still big ones I think. Firstly we go back to the situation where Ukip and whatever other idiots could gain loads of numbers again by saying that the vote wasn't respected, which could then weaken Labour in a big way in another election, even if it weakens the Tories too.

 

Then you have the fact that the original vote, even though it was packed with lies (like erm, every general election) has actually just been ignored and the EU once again will probably get its way and we'll be back in. This has happened before I think on several occasions, where the EU has lost a vote in a country and then it's just been done again instead of accepted.

 

That leaves me wondering how possible it actually is to leave, even if the majority of the voters want out for good reason. Does it again go to the politicians who can't decide so we rerun the vote again? And what does that say if so? It appears to say that the people can actually have a referendum on leaving, but the politicians have other ideas and that in turn makes our so-called democracy a total fraud in that aspect.

 

So even if we do get back in there's still several problems with this, including the EU itself which needs huge reforms that are probably going to be really hard to bring about. If I remember rightly we can't actually create our own legislation in there can we? One branch of the EU idiots just create and propose legislation and all we can do is either accept or reject it (from having a look again it seems that only the commission has the normal powers of creating legislation, parliament members can only amend or vote on it. Doesn't seem that democratic really. How would parliament ever get that power if they can't create legislation?)

 

It's a real bad mess that often appears worse the more you look into it.

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57 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

And there's the rub. She's not "good TV" in the way, say, Jacob Rees-Mogg or Nigel Farage are. And that, in popular opinion, trumps all other accomplishments and abilities she may have.

 

It's the prevalence of that sort of thinking that saddles us with the shitshow we have instead of a functioning democracy. 

For me it’s the inability to think on her feet, she just isn’t quick enough. People can see it happening and it doesn’t give confidence in her abilities. Unfortunately the job she’s chosen demands she’s good at it.  

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I see Boris Johnson has been outed as a lying fuck. Not that we didn't know that already. And not that it'll matter to ardent leavers. It's like Trump's base. Some leave voters are that wedded to their beliefs that nothing matters, but leaving the EU. You only have to look at the "it'll be worth the financial hit/job losses just as long as we get out" lot. 

 

It's seriously depressing! 

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29 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

I see Boris Johnson has been outed as a lying fuck. Not that we didn't know that already. And not that it'll matter to ardent leavers. It's like Trump's base. Some leave voters are that wedded to their beliefs that nothing matters, but leaving the EU. You only have to look at the "it'll be worth the financial hit/job losses just as long as we get out" lot. 

 

It's seriously depressing! 

I am not doubting for one second that you are correct but what specifically ?

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5 minutes ago, Scooby Dudek said:

I am not doubting for one second that you are correct but what specifically ?

Said he never mentioned the ascension of Turkey to the EU once during the campaign. Obviously he is a stand-up guy and I believe him inspite of all the video evidence.

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Do admire the doggedness of Michael Crick following these blisters around forever, it’s like trying to nail jelly to a wall.

 

In the end though, it’s still just pantomime and what I really want to see is General Melchett calling Johnson an arse, slapping him round the top of his head and making him run at machine gun fire.

 

With his legs tied together.

 

With barbed wire.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Dr Nowt said:

Do admire the doggedness of Michael Crick following these blisters around forever, it’s like trying to nail jelly to a wall.

 

In the end though, it’s still just pantomime and what I really want to see is General Melchett calling Johnson an arse, slapping him round the top of his head and making him run at machine gun fire.

 

With his legs tied together.

 

With barbed wire.

 

 

In a luminous jump suit

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