Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Barrington Womble]

1 minute ago, deiseach said:

I see what the problem is here. You're thinking rationally. The DUP should engage with Corbyn to ensure the entire UK stays within a customs union with the EU and NI is thus treated no differently to the rest of the UK, right? Win-win all round. Except the DUP are not rational. They won't engage with Corbyn on anything, ever. There are other reasons why they will reject movement towards a soft Brexit, but not engaging with Corbyn on anything, ever, is enough for now.

I just don't think it's all that black and white. In fact part of the problem for this whole process is the leaders of both main parties have been maintaining a black and white stance across traditional party lines when it has been abundantly clear from the last general election  the only path out of this is cross party support or a new GE - but of course a new GE could leave us where we are now as the parliamentary arithmetic was unlikely to alter significantly enough to create an environment where anything but cross party solutions were still the only answer. 

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

What's the procedure for a second referendum anyway? As there's legislation which gives a fixed removal date, if the government still hurtle towards a no deal scenario, would there need to be a proposed private members bill put forward and voted on to introduce new legislation which revokes/supersedes the current relevant legislation? 

 

If so, is there any guarantee that that would be voted through the House of Commons? 

 

There seems to be a drastic misunderstanding that if Corbyn backs a second referendum (which I now think he should do) then that's that - it'll happen. There also appears to be the impression that only Corbyn can call for a second referendum. Granted, they're the opposition, but they stood in the last election on a manifesto pledge to honour the reference result (conditions applying). 

 

If it does require a private members bill, what's to stop a party who stood on a second referendum manifesto pledge in the last election putting their money where their mouth is and doing something tangible, rather than meek badmouthing of the two main political parties? 

[Dr Nowt]

She’s coincidentally wearing Thatcher-blue today.

 

’Not a cult though’, indeed.

[Jenson]

Theresa May in PMQ's not ruling out no deal and confirming that she won't revoke A50. We are fucked and no deal is on it's way.

[skend04]

16 minutes ago, Jenson said:

Theresa May in PMQ's not ruling out no deal and confirming that she won't revoke A50. We are fucked and no deal is on it's way.

This is utterly bizarre now. She's gone full retard, punch drunk.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

It's absolutely scandalous that May, after giving it all the "cross party talks" stuff last night, has not yet spoke to the leader of the opposition, nor does she seem likely too. 

[Captain Howdy]

She’s awful and has literally no shame, she should have resigned after the last GE 

[Numero Veinticinco]

I like her. The stability is a real bonus. Go get ‘em girl. Show those bullies a bit of British bulldog spirit. 

 

Cunt. 

[Section_31]

6 minutes ago, Nelly-Torres said:

It's absolutely scandalous that May, after giving it all the "cross party talks" stuff last night, has not yet spoke to the leader of the opposition, nor does she seem likely too. 

She's actually starting to present as a bit mental. All the doors are closed but she just keeps taking as though everything is okay and will somehow sort itself.

 

I can't work out if she's a remainer and a willing agent of chaos (which would explain why she installed Johnson as foreign secretary) or if she thinks she's been chosen by God and is willing to suppress her desire to get out of dodge or do something that's otherwise rational because she believes she's following some kind of higher calling or destiny. 

 

I could believe either.

[Denny Crane]

13 minutes ago, Jenson said:

Theresa May in PMQ's not ruling out no deal and confirming that she won't revoke A50. We are fucked and no deal is on it's way.

Well if you believe certain Tory mps the only thing that will force them to support a no confidence motion is if May leads us to the periphery of a no deal. Obviously we aren't at that stage yet but It looks like May is at least pretending she is taking it to Brexit deadline day to coerce people to support her deal when she brings it back. 

[SasaS]

Unless ruling out no deal means no deal no Brexit, UK will crash out with no deal.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Just now, SasaS said:

Unless ruling out no deal means no deal no Brexit, UK will crash out with no deal.

The Evertonian Brexit?

[Denny Crane]

Just now, Section_31 said:

She's actually starting to present as a bit mental. All the doors are closed but she just keeps taking as though everything is okay and will somehow sort itself.

 

 

 

 

Vintage May this clip sums her up. However stupid it sounds and even if you are caught lying just dig yourself a deeper hole.

 

 

[Strontium]

3 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

The Evertonian Brexit?

 

Leavers like to blame Remainers for their failures too.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 minute ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

Leavers like to blame Remainers for their failures too.

And beat their wives?

[cloggypop]

She's fucking shite 

[SasaS]

There should now be a de facto moratorium on Brexit.

 

May should resign, she failed to get support for the deal she negotiated and general election should be the logical next step. Which may not solve much however. But there should definitely be a moratorium on Article 50 or something, is it legally possible to withdraw it and then put it back into force at a later stage?
 

A 3-year or a 5-year moratorium on Brexit would still respect the will of the people and the UK should not go back to negotiating with the EU until a cross-party, or at least a majority platform is first agreed. Even if May stays and there is no election, the process should start again, but only in the UK.

 

I don't think the EU will save UK from a no-deal Brexit now or renegotiate, but nobody has the majority for anything nor a clear mandate to represent the UK in these talks anyway.  

[Mook]

There should be a second vote with two options...

 

1 No deal Brexit

2 Remain

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22 minutes ago, SasaS said:

There should now be a de facto moratorium on Brexit.

 

May should resign, she failed to get support for the deal she negotiated and general election should be the logical next step. Which may not solve much however. But there should definitely be a moratorium on Article 50 or something, is it legally possible to withdraw it and then put it back into force at a later stage?
 

A 3-year or a 5-year moratorium on Brexit would still respect the will of the people and the UK should not go back to negotiating with the EU until a cross-party, or at least a majority platform is first agreed. Even if May stays and there is no election, the process should start again, but only in the UK.

 

I don't think the EU will save UK from a no-deal Brexit now or renegotiate, but nobody has the majority for anything nor a clear mandate to represent the UK in these talks anyway.  

I think the ECJ ruling said that we could unilaterally revoke Art.50 but not just to bide our time until we invoked it again.

[SammyAftershave]

And she responds to Corbyn's calls for her to resign today with (surprise, surprise) allegations that he has let anti-semitism run amok in the Labour Party. Who could have seen it coming?

 

 

[No2]

7 hours ago, Creator Supreme said:

Are Kieve Kev and No2 some of Stronts and Rico's alter egos?

 I'm ot clever enough to have two accounts, I thought you’d all established that.  

[Denny Crane]

This is disgusting if true by the Lib Dems and the SNP. Not surprised at the Lib Dems but disappointed in the SNP and Plaid being content to prop up a Tory government if there is an opportunity to bring down the government. Didn't it take Thatcher the 5th or 6th attempt to bring the Labour government down that was eventually won by one vote in 1979. 

 

 

 

@rosskempsell

 

Understand there are conversations underway right now between SNP, Plaid and LibDems re penning joint letter stating that they will not back repeated motions of no confidence if Corbyn loses tonight - so Labour would be trying again on its own

[Numero Veinticinco]

What would be the point in repeating it with no chance of winning? 

[Davelfc]

2 hours ago, Captain Howdy said:

She’s awful and has literally no shame, she should have resigned after the last GE 

A tory with no shame, I won't believe it, I can't believe it!

[moof]

1 minute ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

What would be the point in repeating it with no chance of winning? 

Hoping for some abstentions from Tory “rebels”. Unlikely, I know.