Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[Rico1304]

30 minutes ago, Boss said:

John Mann has said he'll break rank and vote for Theresa May's deal. This is the same John Mann who employs his wife as a part time Office Manager, and pays her salary out of his own Parliamentary Expenses - even though she works full time as Deputy Leader of Bassetlaw District Council.

Makes you wonder why others have a full time manager if she does it part time.  

[Gnasher]

1 hour ago, Boss said:

John Mann has said he'll break rank and vote for Theresa May's deal. This is the same John Mann who employs his wife as a part time Office Manager, and pays her salary out of his own Parliamentary Expenses - even though she works full time as Deputy Leader of Bassetlaw District Council.

 

The answer to the question  you haven't asked is John Mann is a cunt.

[Denny Crane]

3 hours ago, skend04 said:

McCluskey now suggesting, along with some Brexiteers that if there's another referendum it should be between No Deal and a non-existent/unacceptable deal. The country is stuck between Disaster Capitalists and Disaster Socialists and the only thing in common is disaster. Has it really taken this brinkmanship to discover how third rate our politicians are? That there are people willing to put the country back decades just to try and impose their own ideologies? What a laughing stock.

 

Where is this from Skend? Is it an old interview you are referencing?

 

This recent interview on BBC HARDTALK a few days ago seems to be at odds with what you are expressing about McClusky's position on Brexit.

 

To paraphrase McClusky, if there was a referendum and remain was an option my unions position would be to remain in Europe. Secondly he opposes no deal and describes it as catastrophic. He also says article 50 should be delayed at 3mins 50. Although obviously a second referendum isn't the main option as he rightly wants a Labour government first and state's Labours position on Customs Union etc at some stage. 

 

12.55 and 21.45 to hear his words mentioned above on No Deal and another referendum. 

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3cswjg4

[skend04]

10 minutes ago, Denny Crane said:

 

Where is this from Skend? Is it an old interview you are referencing?

 

This recent interview on BBC HARDTALK a few days ago seems to be at odds with what you are expressing about McClusky's position on Brexit.

 

To paraphrase McClusky, if there was a referendum and remain was an option my unions position would be to remain in Europe. Secondly he opposes no deal and describes it as catastrophic. He also says article 50 should be delayed at 3mins 50. Although obviously a second referendum isn't the main option as he rightly wants a Labour government first. 

 

12.55 and 21.45 to hear his words mentioned above on No Deal and another referendum. 

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/w3cswjg4

My bad.

 

Was reading the Guardian live blog but the link to the talk in question is from September. He's no longer a cunt.

 

I'm off to watch True Detective 3 instead as following all the different news today has addled my head.

[Barrington Womble]

3 hours ago, Kieve Kev said:

Not sure how you’ve conflated Amazon’s tax with the disposeable society we live in. I do agree that we should be getting fair tax of these companies but in the end they’ll pass the cost on to us anyway. 

I wouldn’t hold your breath on getting that tax off them though, for reasons I outlined before.

 

Our disposeable society is a totally different issue IMO and one we aren’t really going to fix. Go to most brick and mortar shops and you’ll see the same shit cluttering their shelves. The difference with Amazon is that they had an add on scheme that means you can’t just buy some tat for £5, the whole order has to be above £20. Tat isn’t specific to non tax paying companies. Apple don’t pay enough tax and they sell nothing cheaply.

 

As women spend on average 90% of household income maybe persuading them to cut back on tat might be a first move. Men I am sure are as guilty for buying tat as women, im not trying to call anyone out, just looking for a way to be more effective.

I don't dispute taxing amazon more would be passed to the consumer. That is my point. If things weren't so cheap, they'd be less disposable. 

[Gnasher]

32 minutes ago, skend04 said:

My bad.

 

Was reading the Guardian live blog but the link to the talk in question is from September. He's no longer a cunt.

 

I'm off to watch True Detective 3 instead as following all the different news today has addled my head.

Hmmm?

[Gnasher]

11 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

 

Making huge supermarkets pay the tax they owe. Stopping them from having carte blanche re planning permission (often through bribes). Having some level of protectionism for stuff we grow/harvest/etc. Improving public transport. Etc, etc. There are lots of things that could be done.

 

Of course people are going to go where stuff is cheaper. I said as much. No-one bar rich hippies shops at local markets because a small block of cheese cost £37.

 

The idea is to bridge that gap.

I notice you omitted the huge tax breaks wealthy landowners in this country receive from the EU to supposedly produce food.

 

A case of looking the other way?

[AngryOfTuebrook]

56 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

The answer to the question  you haven't asked is John Mann is a cunt.

John Mann - the man who can make me and Gnasher find agreement on this thread.

[Gnasher]

For Jarz and angry...

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-farming-subsidies-billionaires-high-uk-rich-list-recipients-brexit-james-dyson-earl-rosebery-cap-a7815871.html

 

Sorry but in a conversation about British farming in the we love the EU fred the above subject matter can not be allowed to go on being ignored.

[Chairman Meow]

19 hours ago, Babb'sBurstNad said:

Sadly, no, red hats don't suit me.

 

If I'm going for military headgear then I'd choose whichever army dons pickelhaubes. Go pointy or go home.

 

If there is another big war I'm throwing in my lot with the Germans, they always have better uniforms.

 

Plus I think they're due a result. 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

3 minutes ago, chevettehs said:

 

If there is another big war I'm throwing in my lot with the Germans, they always have better uniforms.

 

Plus I think they're due a result. 

That's the spirit, third time lucky!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

52 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

For Jarz and angry...

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-farming-subsidies-billionaires-high-uk-rich-list-recipients-brexit-james-dyson-earl-rosebery-cap-a7815871.html

 

Sorry but in a conversation about British farming in the we love the EU fred the above subject matter can not be allowed to go on being ignored.

There's a lot wrong with the EU's current policy on agriculture.  (My only contribution to the debate on here was to point out another financial benefit that, for better or worse, UK farmers are going to lose.)

 

[Rico1304]

From memory agriculture makes up about 15% of EU revenue. It’s about 0.5% of the UKs.  Farmers are fucked. 

[Pidge]

 

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

For Jarz and angry...

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/eu-farming-subsidies-billionaires-high-uk-rich-list-recipients-brexit-james-dyson-earl-rosebery-cap-a7815871.html

 

Sorry but in a conversation about British farming in the we love the EU fred the above subject matter can not be allowed to go on being ignored.

You mean the subsidy that was ring-fenced as a top priority before the vote?

 

Now only under threat by "environmental reform" which only threatens the subsidy for farms that actually, y'know, do actual farming...  Those wealthy landowners are more protected than ever.

[Jairzinho]

2 hours ago, Gnasher said:

I notice you omitted the huge tax breaks wealthy landowners in this country receive from the EU to supposedly produce food.

 

A case of looking the other way?

Yes, mate. There's no-one I like more than wealthy landowners. You've got me there.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

3 hours ago, Gnasher said:

I notice you omitted the huge tax breaks wealthy landowners in this country receive from the EU to supposedly produce food.

 

Tax breaks?

 

I'm no expert, but I thought the CAP was all about subsidies and nothing to do with taxes.

 

Taxation policies are a domestic affair. 

[Jose Jones]

55 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Tax breaks?

 

I'm no expert, but I thought the CAP was all about subsidies and nothing to do with taxes.

 

Taxation policies are a domestic affair. 

Gnash meant subsidies obviously.

 

The agriculture stuff is basically Lexit in a nutshell though.

It's an area where the EU has some shoddy legislation.  However the outcome of Brexit will mean a Tory government protecting the worst parts of the EU conditions and introducing even worse ones.

Lexiteers don't care about that second bit, because they think they can solve the EU problems by leaving, and then solve the UK problems by voting out the Tories.

"One thing at a time..."

 

[Lee909]

This is superb

 

"Wilson said anyone who claimed membership of the EU was a black and white issue was either a charlatan or a simpleton... which brings me on to Boris Johnson" says Betty Boothroyd - backing a "People's Vote" #Brexit https://t.co/UZ5s8Pcker

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Dominic Raab is a thundercunt.

[magicrat]

2 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Dominic Raab is a thundercunt.

Utter fucking pond-life

[ZonkoVille77]

 

[Megadrive Man]

Sky reporting that they expect Mays deal to lose by around 225 votes tonight! 

[Numero Veinticinco]

11 minutes ago, MegadriveMan said:

Sky reporting that they expect Mays deal to lose by around 225 votes tonight! 

That would be... quite something. How can you keep a government going when your main objective - the most important thing your government can do - can't pass, but will lose by a fucking huge margin... it's insane. 

[Trumo]

6 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Dominic Raab is a thundercunt.

 

3 hours ago, magicrat said:

Utter fucking pond-life

 

Ever since I started calling him Raab C Brexit, I always hear this theme tune when he's on TV.

 

 

[magicrat]

49 minutes ago, Trumo said:

 

 

Ever since I started calling him Raab C Brexit, I always hear this theme tune when he's on TV.

 

 

Haha , suits the cunt.  Rab C talked a lot more sense than Dom even after 16 pints of heavy though.