Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[aRdja]

48 minutes ago, skend04 said:

I bet you live in a house with 30 other blokes. That's why you're able to pay £11 for a breakfast whilst local lads have lost their shift allowances.

Just with my wife, in a shoebox above a ‘gastropub’ in South London.  

[SasaS]

16 minutes ago, aRdja said:

Just with my wife, in a shoebox above a ‘gastropub’ in South London.  

 

You should look at buying in Buckinghamshire. I hear there are gated mansions going for just under a million.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

2 hours ago, SasaS said:

 

You should look at buying in Buckinghamshire. I hear there are gated mansions going for just under a million.

It's in Bedfordshire.  Detached. 4 beds plus a 2-bed annexe and a double garage, in a gated part of an "upmarket village" (according to The Times).

[SasaS]

That's a bit steep for Bedfordshire.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

43 minutes ago, SasaS said:

That's a bit steep for Bedfordshire.

I wouldn't know.

 

It certainly sounds like more than he could raise from sales of "Mein Scheiße" (or whatever his book was called).

[Anubis]

4 hours ago, aRdja said:

Being an immigrant who’s currently working in the UK, I think it’s pretty mad for you guys to vote for giving up access for you and your kids to work in the EU. Unless you could somehow limit the movement of capital with it, the working people will be worse off. Profit-seeking companies rightly or wrongly are single-mindedly driven by the bottom-line. If it’s more expensive to produce or operate in the UK than elsewhere, then they will move and their jobs will folllow. However the British workers unfortunately wouldn’t be able to easily follow the jobs for obvious reasons.

Give Anny his job back, you bastard....

[Lee909]

I see austerity is now over. 

Well until Brexit and they blame the EU for Austerity 2 and the morons lap it up

[Bobby Hundreds]

A brexit 50 pence piece. Tories are total bell ends. 

[Anny Road]

2 hours ago, Anubis said:

Give Anny his job back, you bastard....

Show me an anti immigrant quote I have ever made.

Save you the time because you will not find one.

Plenty of anti shit rules posts. Most of them EU rules.

[Anny Road]

7 hours ago, skend04 said:

I bet you live in a house with 30 other blokes. That's why you're able to pay £11 for a breakfast whilst local lads have lost their shift allowances.

Shitty digs are OK but not a real argument.

SD are you still here I thought you were off to farm Olives in Latvia.

[Numero Veinticinco]

1 hour ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

A brexit 50 pence piece. Tories are total bell ends. 

Ohhh, so that’s what they meant when they promised ‘real change’. 

[Gnasher]

22 hours ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Point-missing level: Expert.

 

Nobody has ever pretended that the EU is the original source of what rights workers in the UK still have. If you pay attention, you'll see that we were talking about the fact that UK workers have fewer rights than most in the EU and that it's the UK Government  - not the EU or any immigrants - to blame for that.

Almost every trade union right in this country was won without the EU. The EU followed the rights won by our forefathers.

 

Ask the residents of Greece , Catalonia and now  italy about workers rights, or don't they matter?

 

The pertanant point is history proves this country does not need the EU to establish and protect workers rights. Far from it. 

 

As Michael Foot said "don't be afraid" but you carry on tickling the bollocks out of Brussels.

[magicrat]

2 hours ago, Bobby Hundreds said:

A brexit 50 pence piece. Tories are total bell ends. 

It's called a pound coin today

[Scooby Dudek]

Slightly ironic;

 

http://www.eurolabour.org.uk/posting-of-workers-end-exploitation-undercutting-wages

 

Tory MEPs vote against new EU laws to end exploitation of workers and undercutting of wages

 

Feeling freer already;

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/comment/burnout-britain-looms-as-gove-and-allies-plan-to-axe-working-time-directive-a8116381.html

 

Burnout Britain looms as Gove and allies plan to axe Working Time Directive

 

[Strontium]

1 hour ago, Anny Road said:

SD are you still here I thought you were off to farm Olives in Latvia.

 

They don't grow olives in Latvia you melt.

[Anny Road]

3 minutes ago, Strontium Dog said:

 

They don't grow olives in Latvia you melt.

Business opportunity mate. That’s why I suggested it. Free movement makes anything possible.

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

Almost every trade union right in this country was won without the EU. The EU followed the rights won by our forefathers.

 

Ask the residents of Greece , Catalonia and now  italy about workers rights, or don't they matter?

 

The pertanant point is history proves this country does not need the EU to establish and protect workers rights. Far from it. 

 

As Michael Foot said "don't be afraid" but you carry on tickling the bollocks out of Brussels.

Indeed. History until 1979 does give the lie to an argument that literally nobody has ever made.

 

What does the history of the last 40 years prove about whether it's a smart idea to entrust workers' rights to the right wing of the Tory Party?

[magicrat]

34 minutes ago, Anny Road said:

Business opportunity mate. That’s why I suggested it. Free movement makes anything possible.

Unfortunately climate doesn't

[AngryOfTuebrook]

1 hour ago, Gnasher said:

 

Ask the residents of Greece , Catalonia and now  italy about workers rights, or don't they matter?

 

The workers of Greece, Catalonia and Italy enjoy greater workplace rights than their UK counterparts, not least because their governments opted in to the Social Chapter 25 years ago. They also still have the right to travel freely to work beyond their national borders.

[Gnasher]

30 minutes ago, AngryofTuebrook said:

Indeed. History until 1979 does give the lie to an argument that literally nobody has ever made.

 

What does the history of the last 40 years prove about whether it's a smart idea to entrust workers' rights to the right wing of the Tory Party?

 

This is where you imo go wrong. You seem subservient to the powers that be.

 

The Tory party were around and trying to take away workers rights long before the formation of the EU. 

 

Of course no one thinks it a 'smart idea to entrust the Tory's with workers rights' history proves us more than capable to win our own rights.

 

 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

30 minutes ago, Gnasher said:

 

This is where you imo go wrong. You seem subservient to the powers that be.

 

The Tory party were around and trying to take away workers rights long before the formation of the EU. 

 

Of course no one thinks it a 'smart idea to entrust the Tory's with workers rights' history proves us more than capable to win our own rights.

 

 

This is where you go wrong: you mistake my recognition of objective reality for subservience to power.

 

Again, with your "x happened before the EU" you're responding to arguments nobody has made.

 

Yes, generations of trade unionists have struggled to win rights. In the UK, in recent decades, we have also lost rights, under attack from the UK Government.  You appear blasé about losing more rights, because you seem to think it's a piece of piss to win them back. It isn't.  It's far better, in every way, to defend what rights we have and to build from there. That process is far easier in the EU than it will be in the right-wing low-wage tax haven of Brexit Island.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Aaron Banks referred to the National Crime Agency on suspicion of committing "a number" of crimimal offences during the leave campaign.

 

Accounting and financial irregularities, apparently. It's alleged that he wasn't the true source of approx £8m of loans made to the campaign. 

 

LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP! 

[cloggypop]

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/our-work/roles-and-responsibilities/our-role-as-regulator-of-political-party-finances/sanctions/report-on-investigation-into-payments-made-to-better-for-the-country-and-leave.eu

[AngryOfTuebrook]

So...

 

The campaign was corrupt; the campaign was run almost exclusively on lies; nobody who voted Leave seems able to agree on what they voted for; the people most directly affected by the vote (Brits living in other EU countries and EU citizens living in the UK) were barred from voting; and the margin of victory was a bug's dick... but STILL you can't go against "the will of the people".

[SasaS]

Wasn't the victory margin over 1.2 million people?