Should the UK remain a member of the EU

[magicrat]

At this rate it'll become the National Health Self-Service.

 

Therein lies the truth,  Heath insurance coming down the tracks folks with a safety net of course for those unfortunates that can't afford it, Theresa May would never dump on the most vulnerable in society. Wonder what the thousands sleeping out rough think since the Tories cut funding for mental health and hostels, 

[stringvest]

So there own countries get to benefit from them and we'll have to train our own Nurses up.

 

 

perhaps you need to have a chat with the government on this one.  

[skend04]

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/business/britain-quits-european-nuclear-body-pgmq9m9fc

 

This was snuck in with the Art.50 bill. Now, this either means the Chinese are going to be building a shed load of sub standard nuclear power stations or we are going to start coal mining up and frack the shit out of the countryside. It's fortunate that there's no evidence for climate change and the UK population wouldn't suffer from any nuclear fallout.

[Jenson]

So there own countries get to benefit from them and we'll have to train our own Nurses up.

You must be on a fucking wind up! Why do you think we need EU nurses (and others from around the world)?

This government is not, and never will, provide the funds to train up the nurses the NHS needs. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here that you're not so fucking thick that you can't see this.

[magicrat]

You must be on a fucking wind up! Why do you think we need EU nurses (and others from around the world)?

This government is not, and never will, provide the funds to train up the nurses the NHS needs. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here that you're not so fucking thick that you can't see this.

 

I wouldn't. The obvious answer is usually the right one

[Fugitive]

I bet Jimmy Savile would have voted leave.

 

No doubt about it.

[njackets]

I wouldn't. The obvious answer is usually the right one

In 2015 9,300 Nurses registered to work according to the figures, about 775 per month? Then there appears to be a rush in July after the Referendum result to neary double the normal amount to 1330.

 

So there was a massive spike, naturally there will be a fall? I'm afraid it's you who's fell for the bullshit sensationalist journalism without checking the figures, who's is the thick one.

[Lee909]

So there own countries get to benefit from them and we'll have to train our own Nurses up.

Our own government has just taken away the funding for nurses so they now need years at uni and cant get jobs round it as they have to do work in hospital at all hours. We are also loosing loads of nurses who are sick of the shit.

[cloggypop]

 

 

who's is the thick one.

Hmmmmm...

[stringvest]

In 2015 9,300 Nurses registered to work according to the figures, about 775 per month? Then there appears to be a rush in July after the Referendum result to neary double the normal amount to 1330.

 

So there was a massive spike, naturally there will be a fall? I'm afraid it's you who's fell for the bullshit sensationalist journalism without checking the figures, who's is the thick one.

 

 

fail.  Do more research.

[magicrat]

In 2015 9,300 Nurses registered to work according to the figures, about 775 per month? Then there appears to be a rush in July after the Referendum result to neary double the normal amount to 1330.

 

So there was a massive spike, naturally there will be a fall? I'm afraid it's you who's fell for the bullshit sensationalist journalism without checking the figures, who's is the thick one.

 

Have you actually spoken to people that work in the NHS ?

Try it and you might get closer to the truth

[Fugitive]

In 2015 9,300 Nurses registered to work according to the figures, about 775 per month? Then there appears to be a rush in July after the Referendum result to neary double the normal amount to 1330.

 

So there was a massive spike, naturally there will be a fall? I'm afraid it's you who's fell for the bullshit sensationalist journalism without checking the figures, who's is the thick one.

My Mum and two sisters tell a very different story to the one you spout. As they are all nurses, I'll take their word over yours, you quim.

[moof]

My Mum and two sisters tell a very different story to the one you spout. As they are all nurses, I'll take their word over yours, you quim.

They're probably remoaners so I don't think you can trust them. Njackets has the alternate facts, as per.

[njackets]

My Mum and two sisters tell a very different story to the one you spout. As they are all nurses, I'll take their word over yours, you quim.

What story am I spouting? Wasn't me who posted the article!

[AngryOfTuebrook]

https://medium.com/brexit-britain/for-your-information-labours-position-on-triggering-article-50-part-two-80da1bc12dda#.mkx7nlwli

 

For Your Information: Labour’s Position On Triggering Article 50

 

Apparently, the position that faces us over the Tories bill to trigger Article 50 is unclear.

1. The Tories hold a majority in Parliament and can pass their current bill with Tory votes alone, without the need for any votes from opposition parties. It would not matter how many Labour MPs or any other MPs vote against it, if the Tories whip their vote (and they will) and if all Conservative MPs abide by the whip (which historically they do) the current Tory plan for ‘brexit’ will go ahead just as it is.
    
2. If you think that the Tories giving the NHS away to the Americans is the worst that the Tories can do in exploit triggering Article 50 then you may need some smelling salts for if the Tories actually get to proceed with their current plans triggering Article 50 and beyond.
    
3. You may hate Jeremy Corbyn, you may hate Labour etc etc but they are the only opposition party presenting the Tories with an alternative plan and alternative responsibilities for triggering Article 50 and beyond. The Labour party are the only party who are attempting to force the Tories to accept a host of measures that will put the interests of the British public first, including protecting workers’ rights, Parliamentary oversight and access to the Single Market.
    
4. If Labour commit to voting against triggering Article 50 then the Tories will proceed with the plans they currently have, with no amendments. It’s not that the Tories might do that, the Tories will do that.
    
5. Labour have presented the Tories with a choice, accept amendments to their current bill and subject the process of triggering Article 50 and beyond (it is important to remember that there is an “and beyond” after Article 50 is triggered) that will protect the British public’s interests (Leave or Remain). Or the Tories can reject those measures, which will signal their intent of exploiting triggering Article 50. Voters (that’s you and me) will be in no doubt the Tory position and, importantly, so will moderate Conservative MPs, who can then search their conscience over rebelling and voting against the Tory whip.
    
6. We can live in a fantasy that, left to their own devices, the Tories will lose the vote on their bill to trigger Article 50 (and beyond). Just like America believed Trump couldn’t actually win. Just as most of us did not believe Leave could win (including Leave proponents). Sure, we can live with that fantasy right up to the point we realise that we threw away the opportunity to force the Tories away from subjecting us to the hardest of hard ‘brexits’. I’ll grant you, it’s a gamble. Take no action now to try and restrict the damage the Tories can do and hope that it all goes magically away on its own or take action to limit the Tory damage and have an opportunity down the road to overturn it all when WE ACTUALLY HAVE A VOTE.
    
7. The decision confirmed by the Supreme Court regarding the case Gina Miller’s brought against the Tories to force a Parliamentary vote on triggering Article 50 has created an opportunity for Parliament to force the Tories to protect the British public’s interests but it does not have any effect on what happens after Article 50 is triggered. If Labour’s amendments are unsuccessful and the Tories proceed with their current bill, as it is, then there will be no further opportunity currently for Parliament to have any oversight of what the Tories do after Article 50 is triggered and no influence on what is negotiated. The Tories can continue in secret, as they had previously stated they would do, and we will know nothing of what they are doing, what they are offering, what they are giving away, until after Britain is committed to it and we are out of the EU. THAT is what is at stake. (this amendment to the original article was added on 28/01/2017)
    

That is where we are right now, things can change. Gina Miller proved that we don’t have to accept the Tory crap at face value. People against leaving the EU should not stop fighting and should not stop trying to find ways to put a halt to this utter clusterfudge. Maybe you’re happy to think that the Tories, between now and 2020, cannot do meaningful damage to Britain and so allowing them to pass their plan for ‘brexit’ is OK because the will of the people can overturn it and throw them out of power in 2020. I hope you’re correct but I don’t believe that and I want someone to be fighting for my protection NOW from the Tories. Labour are seeking to limit the damage the Tories can do over the next couple of years and then we will have our say in 2020.

 

If people think that the internal strife in Labour ended (or started) with the leadership challenge that was launched on the 24th June 2016 then, please, don’t be fooled. The same people who chose to launch a torpedo at Labour on the 24th June are attempting to do the same now. All the same old crap from the same old remnants of Labour past. They don’t care if the Tories trigger Article 50 and run with their current plan because they think that it will probably happen anyway, nothing to lose, and they can use whatever the maelstrom creates to have another tip at taking control of the Labour party. It’s tedious that anyone should still have to say it, let alone still have to deal with this dreck but there you go.

[magicrat]

Well here you go folks 70 odd pages constitutes the longest suicide note in history

Fuck knows how many hospitals we could have built with money wasted on this pile of shite

 

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/588944/The_United_Kingdoms_exit_from_and_new_partnership_with_the_EU_Print.pdf

[Moctezuma]

I for one am looking forward to my 14 weeks of Holiday this coming year

 

[Moctezuma]

Hahahahahaha, pathetic.

[magicrat]

Hahahahahaha, pathetic.

 

It is pathetic

 

Just 77 pages of bullshit which is basically a hard copy of her speech "laying out" the strategy for Brexit, A fucking wish list,

I hate this government and their "people knew what they were getting into" and "its too late to turn back" . Utter fucking shite .

The majority of people had not the faintest idea of the full implications of voting leave and no way is it too late to ask people in a 2nd referendum " are you sure ?".  That's not defying the will of the people it's serving the nations best interests,  

Labour have a lot answer for in not fighting this harder , Had they thrown their full weight behind a second vote the narrative would have changed and even if it had failed we would be much more likely to have had concessions on the single market and workers and EU citizens rights, They were shit scared of triggering an election , What sort of party are they of they are afraid of elections, 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/04/exclusive-britain-draft-laws-slashing-tax-show-eu-leaders-serious/

 

 

Ministers will force EU leaders to give them a good Brexit deal by drafting legislation proving their threat to slash taxes is real. 

 

Ready-to-go Budgets will be drawn up cutting corporation tax and scrapping regulations if the negotiations are stalling, The Sunday Telegraph understands.

 

The move is designed to show those on other side of the negotiating table that Britain is serious about becoming “the new Singapore”unless trade barriers are kept low. 

 

Some ministers privately believe it is “not that bad” if Brexit is used to cut red tape and lower Britain’s tax rates – a free-market economic model many Tories favour. 

 

However the revelation prompted an attack from Jeremy Corbyn who said the government had “let slip” its plan to turn Britain into a “bargain basement tax haven”. 

 

 

Basically, the Government's brilliant and tough negotiating strategy is to hold a gun to our heads - "that'll show those foreign Johnnies we're serious!"

[Anubis]

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-white-paper-jpmorgan-shallow-lacks-detail-2017-2

 

LONDON - JPMorgan has delivered a scathing verdict on the government's Brexit white paper setting out plans for leaving the European Union, calling it shallow and lacking in detail.

 

The government on Thursday published a 78-page document setting out its official negotiating position for Britain leaving the EU, fleshing out the 12 objectives Prime Minister Theresa May outlined in a speech last month.

 

Malcolm Barr, an economist who covers the UK at the Wall Street bank, gives a damning verdict of the document, saying it is far too light on detail and underestimates the size of the challenge facing Britain.

 

Barr says in a note sent to clients on Thursday: "As a distillation of the state of knowledge within the UK government six months after the vote, and with the beginnings of a time-compressed negotiation just weeks away, the shallowness of the analysis and absence of detail are matters of great concern, in our view."

 

He highlights a lack of detail on EEA membership, the UK's likely liabilities upon leaving the EU, what regulatory bodies and regimes will need to be replaced upon exit, and says there is "no meaningful detail" on how the government will control migration.

 

Barr says that the government is "misjudging both the political and practical scale of the task ahead" and warns "we see increasing grounds for concern that the plan as constituted cannot be credibly delivered."

 

He says multinationals "may choose to vote with their feet rather than waiting to see the negotiated outturn" given the continued uncertainty.

 

JPMorgan is one of several investment banks that has warned it will have to move jobs out of the UK as a result of Brexit. CEO Jamie Dimon told Bloomberg at Davos last month: "It looks like there will be more job movement than we hoped for." The bank employs 16,000 people in the UK.

[skend04]

Just had Andrew Bridgen on East Midlands Today spin the line about no Sovereignty. He's clearly not read his own party's white paper and worse still the presenter didn't even take him to task over it.

[cloggypop]

 

 

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Or alternatively just blame the EU for having to implement what was always the plan.

[Lee909]

Like playing Russian roulette with a 6 shooter,own your own with 6 bullets

[Rico1304]

Boris Johnson has just voted against the £350m a week being allocated to the NHS.