Brendan Rodgers is our manager

[Guest davelfc]

I just don't see Rodgers resigning, no matter who they appoint. We don't even know for sure who is appointing the assistant.

 

We have been led to believe that this was a joint decision between Rodgers, Werner and Gordon (sacking Pascoe and Marsh) and surely if he was going to walk then that was the time to do it. Why would he walk away from a nice pay off?

 

Maybe they realise now that a trainee manager needs as much experience as he can get beside him. Maybe Rodgers now accepts that too.

 

In any case, I do not think this is any attempt to edge Rodgers out, they'd just sack him. I think it's an attempt to save money by sticking a band aid on a severed arm. Sack him and it costs millions, get him some experience and it works and it doesn't cost millions. 

[ritchie]

The team was crap and they where terrible under Magath as well. He impressed me tactically in that game and got sacked straight after it. He was much better than Magath who basically destroyed the club in such a short space of time and played dog shit football. At least with Meulensteen they where playing some good football and working as a team.

Hopeless under Martin Jol as well. They were truly awful at Anfield that season under Jol but matched us well at their place with the same team. They were probably going down regardless, but Meulensteen the manager isn't that relevant. Meulensteen as a coach would be.

[Rustyjeffears]

If it was all about Ferguson then why did he insist on appointing top coaches to help him? Because despite his despotism he was humble enough to know he couldn't do it all himself and wanted to surround himself with talent rather than a bunch of yes men. Ferguson was a great manager and motivator but he couldn't do it all himself. He delegated a lot tactically. and had sharp minds next to him.If Ferguson can do that then so can Rodgers.

So true. I even think that Rafa lost something when Pako left. All great managers have great assistants.

[Dave D]

It makes little sense to me. If he was a manager and not a coach, then it would have more logic, but he's a coach first and foremost, he always will be, and his obsession is shaping a team stamped with his signature. He won't welcome someone coming in who wants to coach. If FSG see the new staff as a means of making him more flexible, then I'm sceptical the arrangement will last for long. It looks more likely to force him into quitting,

 

 

That's how I see it. They were probably convinced he'd walk if they threatened to axe his staff.

 

Now we are left with a battle of wills.

 

Which is nice, as it will have a highly detrimental effect on transfers and see us drop points at the start of the season as the ugly episode unfolds.

[Guest davelfc]

That's how I see it. They were probably convinced he'd walk if they threatened to axe his staff.

 

Now we are left with a battle of wills.

 

Which is nice, as it will have a highly detrimental effect on transfers and see us drop points at the start of the season as the ugly episode unfolds.

 

I think this line of logic is daft, if they wanted him gone they would have sacked him. They're not a bunch of kids playing a game. 

[marcus50bucks]

Comment: Liverpool FC backroom staff cull leaves Brendan Rodgers exposed at Anfield

 

13:00, 6 JUNE 2015 BY NEIL JONES

 

Departures of Colin Pascoe and Mike Marsh represent a significant blow to Reds boss

 

Who’d have thought it, eh? All that investigating, all that speculating, and it turns out the butler did it.

 

Or, rather, the assistant manager and the first-team coach.

 

Colin Pascoe and Mike Marsh are the first victims of Liverpool’s end-of-season review, the first major casualties of a season which started badly, briefly threatened to improve, and ended shambolically.

 

Their departures were agreed during Tuesday’s meeting between Brendan Rodgers, Reds chairman Tom Werner and Mike Gordon, the Fenway Sports Group executive. “Mutually agreed,” is the suggestion. Believe that if you will.

 

Actually, in a sense, that’s correct. Basically, the proposal was put to Rodgers, and he, after discussion, signed up. He stays, while two of his key confidantes depart, and the rest of the world is left to speculate.

 

For the manager, it is a chastening end to a chastening week. At best, it's a stripping away of his authority. At worst, it could be perceived as an act of treachery. He survives, while his chief lieutenants pay the price.

 

Harsh? Possibly. But then this is an unusual step. It is rare for a club to change its staff without it affecting the manager’s position.

 

So have Liverpool simply picked on the easy targets? In truth it is difficult to assess, accurately, exactly what kind of impact the departures will have.

 

Much of a coach's work, generally, is intangible, subjective even. What works for one player may not for another. We can make educated guesses based on results and performances, but ask players about a coach, and their answers may not tally with the common perception.

 

It is not known whether senior Liverpool players were consulted by FSG prior to this decision. What is known is that departures of Pascoe and Marsh, who have been by Rodgers' side since he walked through the door three years ago, will certainly affect the manager, and his network of power at the club.

 

“My staff here are absolutely critical to what we’ve done,” he said when the Reds were flying high in April 2014. “I couldn’t do it on my own.”

 

He won’t be asked to do it on his own, of course, but the perception now is that whoever comes in will be FSG appointments, with the manager told to simply get on with it. And with them.

 

Rodgers rejected, last season, the idea that more top-level experience was needed on his staff. “We don’t need it,” was his response to suggestions a specialist defensive coach was required after a sloppy start to the campaign.

 

That was in October. By February, with his team’s form on the up, he was able to joke about the issue with reporters. “Must be that new defensive coach, eh?” he smiled. His joke would return to haunt him.

 

Now, the clamour is back. FSG’s feeling is that more experience IS needed, and that a reshuffle is for the best. They are also aware that, in Marsh, they have sacrificed a coach with a genuine affinity to the club. It would be no surprise if his replacement was another ex-player.

 

Already, the likes of Sami Hyypia and Jamie Carragher, as well as Pako Ayesteran, the former assistant of Rafa Benitez at Anfield, are being linked.

 

All would be welcomed by Reds fans, though all would, you feel, add to the pressure on Rodgers if they were appointed – all would be seen as possible replacements, looming large behind him should he stutter next season.

 

Of course that pressure will there regardless. Rodgers knows that better than anyone. He knows his neck is on the line, and that without Marsh, and in particular Pascoe, he has been left even more exposed. Not quite flying alone, but with less protection, less support from within, than he did have.

 

There is an acceptance, from both the club and its supporters, that something needed to change after last season. Sticking with the status quo was never really an option after the way the campaign ended.

 

Fresh eyes, fresh voices, fresh ideas on the training field – they can all help. The key now, for Rodgers especially, is that the transition as handled smoothly and professionally. No politicking, just a team pulling in the same direction, for the same cause - to bring success to Liverpool Football Club.

 

He’s had his warning, the manager, and he knows that the scrutiny will be enormous once pre-season gets underway. A clear, and immediate, improvement is required, both in terms of results and performances.

 

Fail, and the consequences are obvious. This may not be the last-chance saloon for Brendan Rodgers at Liverpool, but it is sure starting to feel like it.

 

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/comment-liverpool-fc-backroom-staff-9402141

 

I fear this is going to end in tears and it should be of no surprise who I am referring to.

[Dr. J]

 

I fear this is going to end in tears and it should be of no surprise who I am referring to.

 

Jermaine Pennant?

[Guest davelfc]

Jermaine Pennant?

 

There are no tears in the land of delusion. 

[bonesman]

They have him right where they want him now..

[Moo]

No but they don't need to be kids to get it wrong, just a bunch of cheapskate clueless oafs.

[Ranxerox]

It will be a minor miracle if this works out in a positive way.

[KMD7]

It makes little sense to me. If he was a manager and not a coach, then it would have more logic, but he's a coach first and foremost, he always will be, and his obsession is shaping a team stamped with his signature. He won't welcome someone coming in who wants to coach. If FSG see the new staff as a means of making him more flexible, then I'm sceptical the arrangement will last for long. It looks more likely to force him into quitting,

 

Good post.  I like Rogers but can't argue with the logic of any of that. 

[dennis tooth]

Hopeless under Martin Jol as well. They were truly awful at Anfield that season under Jol but matched us well at their place with the same team. They were probably going down regardless, but Meulensteen the manager isn't that relevant. Meulensteen as a coach would be.

But hes about as relevant as mike phelan isnt he? If saf struggled without him thered be a reason to appoint him. They didnt, they were just as, if not more successful before and prior to him going into man u. Who would want a man u reject who has failed elsewhere. I dont think fulham were worse than teams who survived, he was the latest ferguson assistant who got found out.

[JermainePennant]

There are no tears in the land of delusion.

I'm deluded but Ive been getting most things right, I guess I should be using my imagination like most seem to be doing.

 

Your right in your previous post it's bs they are trying to force him out, if they are we should be very concerned as the next guy will be a proper yes man, they won't be bringing in new staff to get rid in a couple of months.

[dennis tooth]

I'm deluded but Ive been getting most things right, I guess I should be using my imagination like most seem to be doing.

Your right in your previous post it's bs they are trying to force him out, if they are we should be very concerned as the next guy will be a proper yes man, they won't be bringing in new staff to get rid in a couple of months.

Right about what?

[JermainePennant]

Right about what?

Most of the stuff I've posted on this site, the most recent being me saying the owners clearly aren't looking to get rid of Rodgers while for the last six months most have been saying the opposite.

[Tyler Durden]

Most of the stuff I've posted on this site, the most recent being me saying the owners clearly aren't looking to get rid of Rodgers while for the last six months most have been saying the opposite.

No most have been saying he should go not that the owners want rid

[dennis tooth]

Most of the stuff I've posted on this site, the most recent being me saying the owners clearly aren't looking to get rid of Rodgers while for the last six months most have been saying the opposite.

I dont think anyone claimed inside knowledge on that everyone understands its all guesswork, at other big clubs he would have probably been sacked, anyone can get that right or wrong depending on which side of the bed john henry got out of.

I think your big argument with most people has been whether hes a great manager, the jury is out on that, since hes in his fourth season soon with no trophies. Even if theyd sacked him it would not have changed your mind and who knows, he may have gone on elsewhere to make us regret the decision.

[JermainePennant]

I dont think anyone claimed inside knowledge on that everyone understands its all guesswork, at other big clubs he would have probably been sacked, anyone can get that right or wrong depending on which side of the bed john henry got out of.

I think your big argument with most people has been whether hes a great manager, the jury is out on that, since hes in his fourth season soon with no trophies. Even if theyd sacked him it would not have changed your mind and who knows, he may have gone on elsewhere to make us regret the decision.

My big argument has not been about if BR is a great manager it's been about if he should stay, I think he is potentially great and have showed examples of other top managers struggling at things BR did last season.

 

I still think it will prove to be the right decision for him to stay however if FSG are fucking around with things and putting in their own staff I don't think any manager is going to succeed under that structure and they certainly won't be going for a big name after BR.

[an tha]

Our club just gets weirder all the time.

 

We seem to be unable to conduct contract negotiations without them being played out in public time and time again and now we are just about the only club around who have decimated a management team but not the manager. How can Marsh and Pascoe be any more at fault for last season than Rodgers?

[magicrat]

It makes little sense to me. If he was a manager and not a coach, then it would have more logic, but he's a coach first and foremost, he always will be, and his obsession is shaping a team stamped with his signature. He won't welcome someone coming in who wants to coach. If FSG see the new staff as a means of making him more flexible, then I'm sceptical the arrangement will last for long. It looks more likely to force him into quitting,

Me neither but the logical extension of what you suggest is that the owners are prepared to gamble the clubs prospects on the park in order to force a resignation from Rodgers rather than pay him off. They are clueless but I struggle to believe they stupid enough to fuck about trying to engineer his resignation if they have decided to get rid.  

[Red Phoenix]

Wow, just read that Pascoe has gone too. Maybe if we get the right people in there's still a chance for Rodgers after all.

[Grinch]

Wow, just read that Pascoe has gone too. Maybe if we get the right people in there's still a chance for Rodgers after all.

 

Would have been handier just fucking Rodgers off and getting in a decent manager rather than hoping to employ coaches to do the job for him.

[Dr. J]

Rodgers won't quit. By the time Pearce et al. get through with this they'll have spun it like a gold thread tapestry:

 

"Another manager might have put his sense of honour and personal loyalty to his assistants first. But Brendan so loves the club that he gave his only besotted Pascoe in sacrifice."

 

Something like that.

[Red Phoenix]

Would have been handier just fucking Rodgers off and getting in a decent manager rather than hoping to employ coaches to do the job for him.

 

Maybe, but they haven't so at least if we get the best people in we might see a proper improvement. That's if we make the right signings of course, and Rodgers stops playing people like Markovic as a wing back.