What's your opinion of Brendan Rodgers?

[RoboRiise]

People who use a forum but cant handle other peoples questions or points of view so have to censor themselves from seeing stuff.

Oh dear

Youre headed for ignore for 'rehashing old arguments'.

 

Fuck me Dennis, two minutes apart those posts.  Oscillating wildly old chap.

[Brownie]

Your line is you have implied Rodgers was forced into buying Balotelli. I state that is utter rubbish as he spent around 100 millions prior to buying Balotelli.

 

If he was forced into buying Balotelli it was because he spent 50million at Southampton. He only has himself to blame for his in-balance in the squad.

 

I didn't say that he was forced into buying Balotelli. Please don't make things up or put words in my mouth.

 

I asked a simple question and used the word 'hypothetically' within the question, which proves I don't know the facts. None of us do.

[Brownie]

The ignore function is used primarily to avoid pointless arguing.

 

Arguing about someone using it is proof alone that the person is more interested in arguing than having a rational debate about football.

[Brownie]

We bought the players from Southampton we did not buy Sanchez, that is pretty clear.

 

I have only talked about players we bought.

 

So you're ignoring it because it doesn't suit you to consider it?

 

Do you really think that:

 

a ) Brendan Rodgers has complete control over transfers?

b ) He wanted Sanchez and Balotelli was his next choice?

 

I'm not making excuses for him. I have already said that if he gets sacked so be it. I support my club, I don't worship managers.

 

I want us to be successful going forward and recruitment has been such a big issue for such a long time that I feel we need to question all of the factors involved, not just the bloke who pays the price.

[Anubis]

I think everybody within the club is briefing against one another at this stage. 

 

Unfortunately, I think you're right.

[RoboRiise]

You're not wrong mate.

 

I'd be absolutely amazed if there was anyone who didn't have concerns about what were seeing. This season has been crap and nowhere near the level we should expect.

 

There are certain things that I think need to be understood more, just for my own sanity, things such as this fucking transfer committee or whatever it is. If it's simply a fact that Brendan Rodgers has complete control and the committee is just a token gesture then he has no leg to stand on with regards to recruitment, because yet again our failings are down to poor purchases.

 

I'm not entirely sure that he has that sort of power though. I don't know for certain either way but I have enough grounds to question it. I think it's an important thing to discuss and it actually has nothing to do with the merits of Rodgers, it's about the club going forwards.

 

I get the feeling that our transfer dealings are screwed no matter who is in charge and that worries me.

 

The transfer issues are my biggest concern, said that in another few posts recently because as you say it's a critical aspect.

 

In particular, if Rodgers has anything like autonomy, with this committee as mainly a rubber-stamping body, it puts much more of the onus for our poor transfer activity on him which in turn would probably colour my view of whether we should be weighing up if he's the man for the longer term.  If the committee has more influence, it's not just that it removes some of the blame for the transfers from Rodgers, it's that it's going to be a factor for anybody replacing him too unless the way transfers are done changes.

 

We're never going to know the true split of responsibility because no matter what information comes out about it, if it's valid it will ultimately have come from someone involved with the committee and that alone makes it susceptible to spin.  I've stopped driving myself mental trying to work it out because I don't have enough impartial information and I'm never going to have it.  I'm basing my judgements on what happens on the pitch and how we use the players we have from now on because at least I can profess some kind of knowledge of those elements.

[Section_31]

Taliban are a bit 2009, we need an anti-Rodgers caliphate.

[Ranxerox]

So you're ignoring it because it doesn't suit you to consider it?

 

Do you really think that:

 

a ) Brendan Rodgers has complete control over transfers?

b ) He wanted Sanchez and Balotelli was his next choice?

 

I'm not making excuses for him. I have already said that if he gets sacked so be it. I support my club, I don't worship managers.

 

I want us to be successful going forward and recruitment has been such a big issue for such a long time that I feel we need to question all of the factors involved, not just the bloke who pays the price.

 

Agree with this, thanks to the committee it will never be possible to know who really fucked up on transfers. Clearly no manager has carte blanche but a committee approach is just stupid. 

 

 However since 2010 aside from the owners only one other individual was a part of every shit transfer we've made and that's Ayre. His head needs to roll before Rodgers in my opinion.

[andrew78]

There are some daft things being levelled at Rodgers, I couldn't care less about his private life, his teeth, or whether or not he attends the X Factor, we played great - but flawed - football last season.

 

I said on here back then that if we didn't win the league last year we wouldn't win it for another ten, and I stand by that, what we achieved was a footballing miracle but it was still achieved in a way that exposed all the same flaws we have now. We still couldn't close a game down, we still couldn't defend, the notion of 'you score three and we'll score 4' can only be kept up in the short term, it's too exhausting it just isn't a blueprint for long term success.

 

I also don't think people want success yesterday. I'd be happy to see us finish fifth this year and fourth next year if I could see a squad taking shape or players developing, but I don't, I just see the constant throwing of good money after bad, exuse making, and constantly changing formations and personnel, and all after a massive - massive - outlay. That doesn't bode well in anyone's footballing book.

Good post sums it up really,the club is a world wide organization run like a corner shop 

[dennis tooth]

You do realise they censor porn don't you?

 

Either way it's generally to block out knobs and cunts.

Not the porn i watch but you can watch censored porn if you want. As you know no fun without knobs and cunts.

A world without knobs and cunts is yours to admire as you clearly dont have sex in the real world anyway. At least that way you can get control of your life.

If you cant handle real people best hide from them.

Maybe you should join the armed forces?

[dennis tooth]

Fuck me Dennis, two minutes apart those posts. Oscillating wildly old chap.

Just in a daze that someone would register themself on a forum to talk to people then put people on ignore.

Why not just lock yourself in a room a talk to yourself if you cant handle other peoples input. Just dont get it.

Is it a form of autism ja fink?

 

What would happen if we all put each other on ignore couldnt read or reply to each other?

[Denny Crane]

So you're ignoring it because it doesn't suit you to consider it?

 

Do you really think that:

 

a ) Brendan Rodgers has complete control over transfers?

b ) He wanted Sanchez and Balotelli was his next choice?

 

I'm not making excuses for him. I have already said that if he gets sacked so be it. I support my club, I don't worship managers.

 

I want us to be successful going forward and recruitment has been such a big issue for such a long time that I feel we need to question all of the factors involved, not just the bloke who pays the price.

 

No manager has complete control over transfers, whisper it quietly they work for the club it is not their money. They are paid employees, however as manager they choose the positions that need filling (in the worst case for your debate) like left side centre back defensive midfield etc, buying lots of number 10's. My argument is Rodgers the manager decided to prioritise the Southampton lads and those postions in the squad.

 

Rodgers was quick to take the praise when things went right but as soon as questions are being asked he plays the blame-game.

 

However Rodgers from the outside seems to have far more control than managers at other clubs. Do other clubs have this type of debate, did the Newcastle fans go, oh poor Pardew or Warnock they do not buy the players.

 

My debate is centered on who we bought. I can not speculate on who we never bought. As Rodgers has saw 25 players arrive since he came here I have enough evidence to see how he builds a squad.

 

If I start going into he wanted Bony, Dempsey, Leon Brittan Sanchez, Falcao, Alex Pearce, Williams it just becomes silly.

[Denny Crane]

One other thing about transfers, if Rodgers did not know what system or tactics he would be using this season. This could not have made buying players easy. In fact it must make a clusterfuck of a situation, when a manager does not what system or tactics he will use.

 

Let's take Mourinho, Allaydyce and Koeman, three experienced managers operating in different financial circumstance in the transfer market. All knew the exact system and tactics they were going to use. This comes with experience and an intuitive approach that experienced managers have.

 

Did this make it easier for the new players to settle and players to be recruited, of course it did. Rodgers does not have this experience and it has shown strongly in my view. He has chopped and changed all season as a result. Not forgetting leaving us with an unbalanced squad and transfers that could have been avoided or other players we could have bought.

[dennis tooth]

Peter taylor

Dave Jones

The scouse fella at wigan i cant remember think he finished fifth with them.

Southampton manager before they got poccechino.

So many non descript promotion mamagers I cant recall their names.

Jim Smith

MARTIN ONEILL

[Brownie]

No manager has complete control over transfers, whisper it quietly they work for the club it is not their money. They are paid employees, however as manager they choose the positions that need filling (in the worst case for your debate) like left side centre back defensive midfield etc, buying lots of number 10's. My argument is Rodgers the manager decided to prioritise the Southampton lads and those postions in the squad.

 

Rodgers was quick to take the praise when things went right but as soon as questions are being asked he plays the blame-game.

 

However Rodgers from the outside seems to have far more control than managers at other clubs. Do other clubs have this type of debate, did the Newcastle fans go, oh poor Pardew or Warnock they do not buy the players.

 

My debate is centered on who we bought. I can not speculate on who we never bought. As Rodgers has saw 25 players arrive since he came here I have enough evidence to see how he builds a squad.

 

If I start going into he wanted Bony, Dempsey, Leon Brittan Sanchez, Falcao, Alex Pearce, Williams it just becomes silly.

 

That's the point though, we don't know that.

 

In fact, our approach to transfers seems to be scatter-gun. There doesn't seem to be any strategy at all, other than buy players from a list.

 

There have been examples in the last few years where we missed out on a player and then signed someone else in a completely different position. It just makes no logical sense whatsoever.

 

And as I said earlier, I know for a fact of one situation where the club sold a player that Rodgers wanted to keep. I personally don't think that's right and it makes me have doubts.

[dennis tooth]

That's the point though, we don't know that.

 

In fact, our approach to transfers seems to be scatter-gun. There doesn't seem to be any strategy at all, other than buy players from a list.

 

There have been examples in the last few years where we missed out on a player and then signed someone else in a completely different position. It just makes no logical sense whatsoever.

 

And as I said earlier, I know for a fact of one situation where the club sold a player that Rodgers wanted to keep. I personally don't think that's right and it makes me have doubts.

Someone ask him what player?

Kelly?

[Denny Crane]

That's the point though, we don't know that.

 

In fact, our approach to transfers seems to be scatter-gun. There doesn't seem to be any strategy at all, other than buy players from a list.

 

There have been examples in the last few years where we missed out on a player and then signed someone else in a completely different position. It just makes no logical sense whatsoever.

 

And as I said earlier, I know for a fact of one situation where the club sold a player that Rodgers wanted to keep. I personally don't think that's right and it makes me have doubts.

 

You stated in an earlier post that what Rodgers said about Balotelli is circumstantial evidence that he did not want him. You are now contradicting yourself by ignoring his comments on what he has said about the Southampton lads and his his gushing praise.

 

Anyone heard him kicking Lovren like he has kicked Balotelli on regular basis, nope. Good luck finding anyone gullible or sane enough to think the Southampton players were forced on him.

 

Maybe the scatter gun approach is like Rodgers tactics system and selection. I gave a good example using experienced managers who have firm ideas in team setup.

 

Enough of me spamming the thread for today. Maybe see you in the arguing about managers forum discussing Rodgers next summer.

[BCM]

The main problem i have is we let our best player leave, a striker.

 

This should have been the priority at the start of the summer, we knew all about Sturridge's injury history.

 

But no, we bought more centre halfs, more no10s and centre mids.

 

Instead we start chucking money at Alexis Sanchez seemingly without ever thinking to ask if he was interested, whilst Wenger got off his arse and went to the World cup to personally seal the deal.

 

And then left it to the very last minute to scramble round trying to bring someone in.

 

It just looks amateurish in the extreme.

 

We now have no decent Goalkeeper, a load of attacking midfielders, no settled partnerships in defence. And according to the manager no one good enough to play up front.

 

The rest have been chucked under the bus.

[Gnasher]

That's the point though, we don't know that.

 

In fact, our approach to transfers seems to be scatter-gun. There doesn't seem to be any strategy at all, other than buy players from a list.

 

There have been examples in the last few years where we missed out on a player and then signed someone else in a completely different position. It just makes no logical sense whatsoever.

 

And as I said earlier, I know for a fact of one situation where the club sold a player that Rodgers wanted to keep. I personally don't think that's right and it makes me have doubts.

That Suarez fella?

[BCM]

Looks like we are losing Toure for a month in the next few weeks. Going to the Africa Nations Cup

[Gnasher]

Looks like we are losing Toure for a month in the next few weeks. Going to the Africa Nations Cup

Can we pretend Glen Johnson and Dejan Lovren are Africans?

[Brownie]

You stated in an earlier post that what Rodgers said about Balotelli is circumstantial evidence that he did not want him. You are now contradicting yourself by ignoring his comments on what he has said about the Southampton lads and his his gushing praise.

 

Anyone heard him kicking Lovren like he has kicked Balotelli on regular basis, nope. Good luck finding anyone gullible or sane enough to think the Southampton players were forced on him.

 

Maybe the scatter gun approach is like Rodgers tactics system and selection. I gave a good example using experienced managers who have firm ideas in team setup.

 

Enough of me spamming the thread for today. Maybe see you in the arguing about managers forum discussing Rodgers next summer.

You either misinterpret a lot of what you read or you just invent stuff.

 

At no point have I suggested that the Southampton players were forced on him. At no point have I suggested that anyone was 'forced' on him. Why are you using such words?

 

The only point I made about Balotelli was that it may have been a situation whereby Rodgers had the choice of him or no-one, for whatever reason. If you're implying additional things on top of that, then it's your choice.

[moof]

You either misinterpret a lot of what you read or you just invent stuff.

 

At no point have I suggested that the Southampton players were forced on him. At no point have I suggested that anyone was 'forced' on him. Why are you using such words?

 

The only point I made about Balotelli was that it may have been a situation whereby Rodgers had the choice of him or no-one, for whatever reason. If you're implying additional

Pointless arguing with Frode. He's utterly mental

[Brownie]

Pointless arguing with Frode. He's utterly mental

Is that Code?! Really?

[ritchie]

I agree with much of this, the problem with defending the manager is that you are seen as something of a fanboy and get into all sorts of arguments you can't really be arsed with. It's a bit of a straw man really, certainly from my perspective, because it's the constant " give me success now" attitude which is so prevalent in today's football that I'm really at odds with, people are so bloody impatient everything has to be now and viewpoints change game to game. Things go wrong and it's "why keep him he's completely out of his depth" I've said before that he played the best football I've seen in a generation last season but because this season is going badly people are writing it off as a fluke and the work of a world class player. Rodgers may well not be the man but he should be given the time, like Dalglish should have been given the time but time is something you simply don't get anymore. Oh that Ferguson had taken over Utd in today's climate, or even Howard Kendall Everton from the early 80s. TK made a good point on another thread, when the new manager takes to the dugout in the summer he will be our 5th manager in as many years, utter madness. Like has been said, this argument is now boring and circular so that's pretty much my last on this subject

 

Should they have give Moyes 6 years as well? Moyes and Rodgers didn't have the CV's for the job in the first place. In fairness to Ferguson he performed miracles with Aberdeen.

 

You can't really afford a terrible season now performing awfully in your job (Moyes last season, Rodgers so far this). Klopp has enough in the bank from what he's achieved already to have a bad season, although in reality he's gone as far as he can with Dortmund. Rodgers also got away with a shite first season performing worse overall than Kenny who got sacked the year before. 

 

Admittedly it is too short termist and managers don't last long anymore. Take Wenger out and Rodgers is the longest serving manager in the league (With Pardew about to go). But with what's at stake nowadays you can't afford a manager to lose the plot for a year. Put it this way it's easier to replace a manager than £200m worth of signings he doesn't rate.

 

Rodgers still has time to turn this around but 2 shit seasons out of 3 (plus a good one but trophyless) isn't good enough if he can't.