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That's fucked.

I keep hearing conflicting advice about how to set SSD up.  Use it for games, don't use it for games, it doesn't like constantly writing, they're great for constantly writing.  All a bit of a muddle.  My hard drive is showing signs of age too, and I think it's time to buy this SSD thingy.  I've seen the difference it makes on my neighbour's, but he fucked up trying to defrag it.  Another thing I didn't know about.  There's such a range to pick from too.#

Maybe I'll get BR and the transfer committee to pick me one.

I'll end up with a lampshade then.

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The general consensus is that if there is too much writing on them they fuck up and you should only use them for Windows and then put everything else on a normal drive as a secondary.

 

I have one in my current desktop which has been in there for about 3 years now and is still running without any issue so frankly I think the above is bollocks personally. The one I have in my laptop is also still running fine after about 2 years. My thought was always pretty much that I have some pen drives and a phone with SSD drives which have lasted for years so why would a bigger one not be the same?

 

Desktop Setup is:

Drive 1: 250GB SSD with Windows and the Software I use most installed on it.

Drive 2: 2TB SATA non SSD drive which I use as a Data and general usage drive, basically programs and games I don't run quite so much, randomly downloaded shite and have my documents folder etc. on it.

Dive 3: 2TB SATA non SSD drive which I use as a media drive. Music, Films, TV series and hardcore porn mostly. I also use it as a back up for any important files from Drive 1 & 2.

 

Laptop is same for Drive 1 and drive 2 is a 1TB (I think) non SSD data drive which synchronises some data with Drive 2 on my desktop to back it up. 

 

Edit: Just checked, my desktop is a Samsung SSD and the laptop one is SanDisk. 

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I've got a 1TB macbook pro, and SSD's great.... except:

 

If they fail, there's often next to no warning, and no hope of recovery. I've fallen foul of this already. If it goes, it goes. Mine failed within 1 week (obviously a defect, but that's not the point, it's made me very wary).

 

Boot up time is great, but in terms of genuine day to day performance, it's not that noticeable. If you're loading up photoshop and working with large files day in day out, you'll love it.

 

My NAS System is a 32TB (2x16) set up,  all running regular HDD's. Had 3 Seagate drives fail after just over 12 months, and all within a month of each other. No issues with WD so far. I don't use the NAS for   heavy workloads, it's media files mostly, so hardly stressed out.

 

The way I treat my SSD now is that's it's temporary storage, but I'm just very wary of the lack of indication of impending doom.

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That's fucked.

I keep hearing conflicting advice about how to set SSD up.  Use it for games, don't use it for games, it doesn't like constantly writing, they're great for constantly writing.  All a bit of a muddle.  My hard drive is showing signs of age too, and I think it's time to buy this SSD thingy.  I've seen the difference it makes on my neighbour's, but he fucked up trying to defrag it.  Another thing I didn't know about.  There's such a range to pick from too.#

Maybe I'll get BR and the transfer committee to pick me one.

I'll end up with a lampshade then.

 

They are incredibly quick to read, usually slower to write, but they have a finite number of write cycles. Most people will never notice this, and all the 'wear levelling' (making sure the writes happen evenly, rather than one section getting more wear than others) is all taken care of.

 

I'd never recommend them for serious constant writing though.

If you're going to logging something every minute, or even every second, it should be fine, but I'm talking about an application that's streaming data to the SSD 24/7 - that's probably not wise.

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I've got a 1TB macbook pro, and SSD's great.... except:

 

If they fail, there's often next to no warning, and no hope of recovery. I've fallen foul of this already. If it goes, it goes. Mine failed within 1 week (obviously a defect, but that's not the point, it's made me very wary).

 

 

My NAS System is a 32TB (2x16) set up, all running regular HDD's.

16 2tb drives?

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16 2tb drives?

 

nooo.. 2 NAS Arrays (4 bays in each). Each bay with a 4TB drive in. So that 16TB per Nas

 

Sounds high end, but it's cheap as chips components really. ReadyNas V2+ and WD cheap drives.

I've got for quantity over quality!

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nooo.. 2 NAS Arrays (4 bays in each). Each bay with a 4TB drive in. So that 16TB per Nas

 

Sounds high end, but it's cheap as chips components really. ReadyNas V2+ and WD cheap drives.

I've got for quantity over quality!

Yeah, couldn't quite work out what you meant. At first I was like 'you can't have 2x16tb drives, so he can't mean that'.

 

I'm interested because I'm going to need something similar soon. I've currently got 4 SSDs, in a high end rig, but my storage is lagging. I've got a 2tb WD green. But that has no redundancy. That nerds sorting. I've got space internally, but I would like to run Plex on a nas. I will likely end up with either 2x6tb or 4x4tb giving me 6 or 8tb with total redundancy.

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Ive got mine in JBOD configuration - no redundancy at all - other than any self made duplication for critical files.

 

Truth be told, I bought the NAS systems to just save space after having endless amounts of USB external drives, and got fed up of power supplies and cables.

 

IF I could, I'd not go down the NAS route again, I'd just buy a large tower with loads of bays and just run shares off that. Why? because I feel more in 'control' and if a drive is having problems, it'll be on NTFS, or a file system I can easily access. My NAS system runs some oddball variation of EXT4 which isn't so easy to access via anything other than the NAS itself.

 

But wives like small boxes, and not huge towers, so the NAS it had to be.

 

I tried running Plex on my NAS, but eventually scrapped it. I just have XBMC on my various computers, and have all my media laid out nicely for XBMC (Kodi). 

 

I have an ASROCK Vision mini PC under the TV that acts as my main media playback device.

It's a 'fancy setup' for anybody who's not into this stuff, but it's pretty basic for anybody who is.

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I had an issue with multiple Seagate drives failing on me as well.  From brand new.  Turned out to be a firmware issue, but it caused me so much hassle that I fucked them off and have used WD ever since.

I suppose the answer to the issue with sudden SSD failures like Fanchester has had is to back up regularly.  But I'm much too lazy a cunt for that.  And the workaround for being a lazy cunt involves a lot of hassle that I'm too lazy for.

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Ive got mine in JBOD configuration - no redundancy at all - other than any self made duplication for critical files.

 

Truth be told, I bought the NAS systems to just save space after having endless amounts of USB external drives, and got fed up of power supplies and cables.

 

IF I could, I'd not go down the NAS route again, I'd just buy a large tower with loads of bays and just run shares off that. Why? because I feel more in 'control' and if a drive is having problems, it'll be on NTFS, or a file system I can easily access. My NAS system runs some oddball variation of EXT4 which isn't so easy to access via anything other than the NAS itself.

 

But wives like small boxes, and not huge towers, so the NAS it had to be.

 

I tried running Plex on my NAS, but eventually scrapped it. I just have XBMC on my various computers, and have all my media laid out nicely for XBMC (Kodi).

 

I have an ASROCK Vision mini PC under the TV that acts as my main media playback device.

It's a 'fancy setup' for anybody who's not into this stuff, but it's pretty basic for anybody who is.

Yeah, i right stick with internal, as I've got plenty of free bays. I've got a Corsiar 750D case, which gives you 4 slots for SSDs and 6 bays for HDDs. My Mobo only has 8 data ports though. Only issue with going internal is that o need to run the system 24/7 for Plex.

 

I n other news, Seagate is releasing 8TB drives at around 165 quid.I could do 4x8 in raid 0+1.

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I have a microserver with 1x4tb and 2x3tb drives. No RAID at the minute, but I will hopefully sort that as I can afford to complete the server with 4/5 4tb drives.

 

Don't have enough Movies/TV (+porn) yet to justify it.

 

Running it as a seedbox, smb share, plex media server etc.

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Yeah, i right stick with internal, as I've got plenty of free bays. I've got a Corsiar 750D case, which gives you 4 slots for SSDs and 6 bays for HDDs. My Mobo only has 8 data ports though. Only issue with going internal is that o need to run the system 24/7 for Plex.

 

I n other news, Seagate is releasing 8TB drives at around 165 quid.I could do 4x8 in raid 0+1.

 

Be careful with the seagates, esp the budget end (which 8TB for 165 is). 

I know everybody has different experiences with drives, and some will swear by company A, whilst another will go by company B, but my recent history with Seagate has been shocking.

 

I opted for WD Reds. I can't use 8TB in my NAS because they're not supported (yet, if ever), 4TB's the largest drive supported per bay so far. 

 

There's no pain like the pain of losing 8TB of movies. That's a LOT of downloading, and a lot of time... I had 3 negates fail all within a month of being over the warranty period. 1 Failed on bootup with no warning, two other had warnings for about 4 days then died. Not really enough time to invest in replacement drives (unless you're made of money).

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These are new drives just being released. I'll get the article when I'm back on the computer.

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I understand that, but...

 

New drives are notoriously iffy for a while, I'd just avoid like the plague until they get all the issues ironed out.

 

8TB is incredibly tempting in one drive. but there's a reason the price is so low too.

 

It's the trap I fell into buying their high capacity, low price drives. I learned the hard way!

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That's the problem with increasing drive sizes.  That's a hell of a load more of shit to be lost if (when) something goes FUBAR.  Be it SATA or SSD.

Have you guys running multiple SSDs noticed a difference in noise levels ?

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I understand that, but...

 

New drives are notoriously iffy for a while, I'd just avoid like the plague until they get all the issues ironed out.

 

8TB is incredibly tempting in one drive. but there's a reason the price is so low too.

 

It's the trap I fell into buying their high capacity, low price drives. I learned the hard way!

Ah, I've had more fair share down the years. This is just the next step. I got the 2tb when they first came out.

 

What I find is they're really expensive til some new tech comes along to reduce price and increase reliability. I'm thinking this is the next step. The industry is going silly over it.

 

These ones I'm talking about aren't the helium ones but the low speed archive ones.

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That's the problem with increasing drive sizes.  That's a hell of a load more of shit to be lost if (when) something goes FUBAR.  Be it SATA or SSD.

Have you guys running multiple SSDs noticed a difference in noise levels ?

 

Are you talking about audible noise, or signal noise?

Shouldn't be any audible noise with SSD for obvious reasons, unless you've got incredible hearing, or some circuitry is humming.

 

Definitely agree about the downside of high capacity drives. All your eggs in a 8TB basket.

Sadly, this whole 'cloud' crap is fine until you're dealing with a lot of data. There's no way you're shifting 8TB to the cloud in a hurry!

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My four SSDs are silent. I did think about getting a pci-e SSD, but running SLI GPUs means the airflow is restricted enough already.

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I was looking at the pci-e ones as well. Til I saw the price, anyway !

Yeah. Hence my going for four SSDs instead.

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I'm about to make this step myself, so will have some questions soon.

 

My iMac that I've had for over 4 years (longest I've owned any computer) has been quite slow the last year or so, and about a week ago really slow. A few days ago when it was restarting after a system update, I had this weird clicking sound coming from the hard drive, and the loading bar of the update stopped at 50%. It did this about 5 times I restarted it before it loaded up completely. In the mean time, I had researched this click and found out is was pretty bad, so as soon as it did load up, I backed the computer up onto my time machine external, and made copies of all my personal files onto another external. Only problem here is one of my set of cables has broken, so I can only use one external at a time.

 

Now the iMac won't boot up at all, I've got a flashing folder with a question mark in it icon when I try, so this is the end of it.

 

I've had a look at getting an external SSD to boot it up off of, but I only have a firewire 800 connection on the back, which is apparently, only 800mb/s, whereas thunderbolt and usb3 are several gb's. Which makes me think I should perhaps put the SSD inside, replacing the dead one in there. 

 

Is this do-able at all? If not, I guess I'll have to put up with putting a non solid state replacement in there. I thought I should shoot for the upgrade though, if it is possible?

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Which iMac do you have? I think taking them apart is a right cunt. From memory, those ones with FW800 have screens either glued on or held on by magnets (depending on the model). So taking the glass off (which is how you get into them) could be hard work. You might be able to take it to somebody close to do it for you, though.

 

The flashing folder thing is because the update didn't finish and probably fucked the file system.

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