Moneyball signings v Rodgers signings?

[Russ Atmosphere]

If Rodgers isn't having the final say on signings he should maybe stop lying to the press about it.

[Gnasher]

If Rodgers isn't having the final say on signings he should maybe stop lying to the press about it.

I'd guess about 90% of managers say they are in total control of transfers, the reality is another thing altogether.

[Jairzinho]

If Rodgers isn't having the final say on signings he should maybe stop lying to the press about it.

 

Perhaps not if he wants to keep his job.

[Gnasher]

Not that Ive studied every signing the club has made in rodgers term, so assaidi was a player he definitely wanted? OK.

The time when Sahko and Illori turned up when we already had Agger, Skirtle, Coates, Wisdom, Toure made me wonder.

[Russ Atmosphere]

Perhaps not if he wants to keep his job.

 

Though maybe he'd have a better chance with his job if, as a club, we stopped buying moderately expensive signings that he doesn't seem to rate after only a handful of appearances.

[xerxes]

From another thread, probably more relevant in this one...

An interesting post in full.

 

There has always been a bit of bravado about Rodgers.

 

With a second place finish last year, his transfer dealings have “worked” in the end result.

 

On 23/6/11 Roma bought Borini for 5.3m euro, six weeks later we bought him for 13.3m euro on 50k a week. If that is evidence of Rodgers being behind everything then I am not sure that I would be shouting quite so loud if I were him.

 

Any transfer is an uncertain mix of agent’s fees, transfer fee, wage demands ,payment terms, medical history and availability. Sometimes you have your back to the wall and overpay, sometimes you buy a player because he is better than what you have because he is available even if he is not your pressing need when there is n-one better available. It always strikes me how much luck there is in transfers coming off, not judgement.

[Boss]

Some of them were first choice, some not.  Sanchez was first choice to replace Suarez, then

Falcao, but neither wanted the move. Remy was first choice backup striker to Sturridge but that fell through, Shaqiri was also first choice winger and that didn't happen so we moved on Markovic.

 

Moreno was first choice left back, we were in for Bertrand due to stalling with Sevilla, Lovren looked like first choice and Rodgers blatantly told Ayre to go get Lallana at any cost. 

[Babb'sBurstNad]

Whether they're moneyball of Rodgers' signings, I still think we're buying decent players. I'm more concerned about them being the players we actually need.

 

We seem to be accumulating a lot of potential and end up overstocking in some positions because we see value there. 

[Dr Nowt]

An interesting post in full.

 

There has always been a bit of bravado about Rodgers.

 

With a second place finish last year, his transfer dealings have “worked” in the end result.

 

On 23/6/11 Roma bought Borini for 5.3m euro, six weeks later we bought him for 13.3m euro on 50k a week. If that is evidence of Rodgers being behind everything then I am not sure that I would be shouting quite so loud if I were him.

 

Any transfer is an uncertain mix of agent’s fees, transfer fee, wage demands ,payment terms, medical history and availability. Sometimes you have your back to the wall and overpay, sometimes you buy a player because he is better than what you have because he is available even if he is not your pressing need when there is n-one better available. It always strikes me how much luck there is in transfers coming off, not judgement.

 

Nowhere near as bad as painted when the crucial information they paid it for the remaining 50% of Borini's rights they didn't already own is included.

[Rotpeter]

An interesting post in full.

 

There has always been a bit of bravado about Rodgers.

 

With a second place finish last year, his transfer dealings have “worked” in the end result.

 

On 23/6/11 Roma bought Borini for 5.3m euro, six weeks later we bought him for 13.3m euro on 50k a week. If that is evidence of Rodgers being behind everything then I am not sure that I would be shouting quite so loud if I were him.

 

Any transfer is an uncertain mix of agent’s fees, transfer fee, wage demands ,payment terms, medical history and availability. Sometimes you have your back to the wall and overpay, sometimes you buy a player because he is better than what you have because he is available even if he is not your pressing need when there is n-one better available. It always strikes me how much luck there is in transfers coming off, not judgement.

 

You sure it wasn't more a case of:

 

On 23/6/11 Roma paid another 5,3m, additional to the 5.3m they had already paid for 1/2 his rights, ....

[Dr Nowt]

They actually paid far less for the initial 50%, but that was presumably because his star rose in the interim through performance in Serie A. 

 

Nonetheless, 5.3M Euros for 50% of something's value at a specific time doesn't ask too much of anyone wishing to work out 100% of it's full market value on the same day.

 

We paid above that figure, but nothing like more than double, and no doubt Roma wanted some on top due to the fact he'd been a relative success and had promise to improve further due to age.

[Rotpeter]

They actually paid far less for the initial 50%, but that was presumably because his star rose in the interim through performance in Serie A. 

 

Nonetheless, 5.3M Euros for 50% of something's value at a specific time doesn't ask too much of anyone wishing to work out 100% of it's full market value on the same day.

 

We paid above that figure, but nothing like more than double, and no doubt Roma wanted some on top due to the fact he'd been a relative success and had promise to improve further due to age.

Sussed!  I figured why should Xerxes be the only one pulling stuff out his ass though.

[JermainePennant]

My take on it is Rodgers gets to make the big signings he wants while is happy to accept some options from the Committee for the squad as long as it does not affect him getting his main targets.

 

Its the only thing I could come up with that would make sense as some signings like an aspas or alberto do not look like they were a Rodgers signing but he was happy to go along with it, I agree with gnashers list for who signed who apart from maybe markovic, Rodgers talked highly of him when signed and seems to be giving him a lot of time on the pitch.

[Bjornebye]

Rodgers had a word with markovic who had a couple of chances to shoot but didnt. Once he spoke to him pretty much the next time he had the ball he had a shot. "Express yourself more son"

 

Oh and for the record, I think Rodgers is ace

[xerxes]

Oh and for the record, I think Rodgers is ace

I think there is a danger that every transfer is judged in isolation.

 

Last year we finished second, which was a hell of a result. This season we have won our CL game and are still in the LC, the league programme has barely started.

 

I am pretty confident that at the end of this season he will have done ok too

[Dr. J]

 

My take on it is Rodgers gets to make the big signings he wants while is happy to accept some options from the Committee for the squad as long as it does not affect him getting his main targets.

 

 

That would be a funny way to run a business, especially as the only increase in sell on value would come from playing in the squad and impressing other teams. Unless, of course, Rodgers is not actually picking the team, which will be the final excuse for him.

 

If he says he decides, they're his.

[JermainePennant]

That would be a funny way to run a business, especially as the only increase in sell on value would come from playing in the squad and impressing other teams. Unless, of course, Rodgers is not actually picking the team, which will be the final excuse for him.

 

If he says he decides, they're his.

I don't think what I have said is far fetched, there is a 'committee' in place that looks at transfers that has been in place from day one when Rodgers got there.Their opinion is obviously valued when it comes to signings, when Rodgers needs players Im sure he goes to them for suggestions and Imo it looks like he is willing to trust their judgement for some squad players and goes along with it.

 

Obviously he will have the final say as if there is a player he thinks wont fit in there's no point.Its a no lose situation for him as if they flop it goes on the committee and if it works hes got a player for the squad, Chelsea certainly operate that way aswell while I'm sure other prem teams do, a lot of European teams aswell.

Edited September 29, 2014 by JermainePennant