The war in Ukraine

[Captain]

It seems Putin has committed to a second invasion of Ukraine by deploying Russian troops into Ukraine and we now have regular warfare between Ukraine and Russia. Except of course that Russia denies doing anything at all.

 

The UN Security Council is currently holding an emergency meeting.

 

This has the potential to become really, really ugly now.

[Captain]

NATO have released satellite imagery supposedly showing the invasion:

 

http://www.nato.int/cps/en/natolive/news_112103.htm

 

NATO releases satellite imagery showing Russian combat troops inside Ukraine

NATO’s Allied Command Operations in Mons, Belgium on Thursday (28 August 2014) released new satellite imagery that show Russian combat forces engaged in military operations inside the sovereign territory of Ukraine. "Over the past two weeks we have noted a significant escalation in both the level and sophistication of Russia’s military interference in Ukraine,” said Brigadier General Nico Tak, Director of the Comprehensive Crisis and Operations Management Centre at Allied Command Operations. "The satellite images released today provide additional evidence that Russian combat soldiers, equipped with sophisticated heavy weaponry, are operating inside Ukraine’s sovereign territory,” he said

Story by SHAPE Public Affairs Office :

Mons, BELGIUM – NATO released new satellite images on Thursday, 28 August 2014, that show Russian combat forces engaged in military operations inside the sovereign territory of Ukraine. The images, captured in late August, depict Russian self-propelled artillery units moving in a convoy through the Ukrainian countryside and then preparing for action by establishing firing positions in the area of Krasnodon, Ukraine.

Dutch Brigadier General Nico Tak, director of the Comprehensive Crisis and Operations Management Centre (CCOMC), Allied Command Operations said the images confirmed what NATO and its Allies had been seeing for weeks from other sources.

"Over the past two weeks we have noted a significant escalation in both the level and sophistication of Russia's military interference in Ukraine," said Brigadier General Tak. "The satellite images released today provide additional evidence that Russian combat soldiers, equipped with sophisticated heavy weaponry, are operating inside Ukraine's sovereign territory," he said.

These latest images provide concrete examples of Russian activity inside Ukraine, but are only the tip of the iceberg in terms of the overall scope of Russian troop and weapons movements.

"We have also detected large quantities of advanced weapons, including air defence systems, artillery, tanks, and armoured personnel carriers being transferred to separatist forces in Eastern Ukraine," said Brigadier General Tak. "The presence of these weapons along with substantial numbers of Russian combat troops inside Ukraine make the situation increasingly grave," he said.

Also released were images showing substantial activity inside Russia in areas adjacent to the border with Ukraine. NATO believes this activity is being conducted in direct support to forces operating inside Ukraine, and is part of a highly coordinated and destabilising strategy.

"Russia is reinforcing and resupplying separatist forces in a blatant attempt to change the momentum of the fighting, which is currently favouring the Ukrainian military," Brigadier General Tak said. "Russia's ultimate aim is to alleviate pressure on separatist fighters in order to prolong this conflict indefinitely, which would result in further tragedy for the people of Eastern Ukraine," he added.

The source of the images is an independent firm named Digital Globe. The images have not been altered or changed by NATO. Additional information has been added to identify locations, dates and equipment. DigitalGlobe images can be independently verified: http://www.digitalglobe.com

 

[Lee909]

One of the separatist leaders saying that Russian soldiers on leave are fighting.

[Red Phoenix]

It seems Putin has committed to a second invasion of Ukraine by deploying Russian troops into Ukraine and we now have regular warfare between Ukraine and Russia. Except of course that Russia denies doing anything at all.

 

The UN Security Council is currently holding an emergency meeting.

 

This has the potential to become really, really ugly now.

 

It's not like they haven't been provoked. They didn't start this either. NATO can fuck themselves, so can Cameron, Obama, and the other western corporation puppets. Fuck the dollar and big oil too. And the nazi's that the western idiots installed in the Ukraine can also fuck themselves. Bunch of selfish cunts.

 

No you can't twist it into being all Putin or Russia's fault either, not without lying/being wrong anyway.

 

Where's the people's vote on whether or not we have a world war then? We don't get one because there'd be no chance of one if so. This planet is ran by psychopaths.

[Stu Monty]

So they are supporting the free will and choices of the separatists then?

 

Given that NATO are looking to try and expand their military forces and antagonise Russia I'll be taking any of their media briefings with the pinch of salt they deserve. 

 

The people living where the forces are going want them there. That's the awkward fact that keeps getting in the way of the narrative of this.

[Stu Monty]

One of the separatist leaders saying that Russian soldiers on leave are fighting.

 

For who?

[Captain]

One of the separatist leaders saying that Russian soldiers on leave are fighting.

 

Yeah, I think his exact words were that 'they preferred to stay with their brothers in arms rather than the beach'.

[Captain]

For who?

 

The separatists. Or Novorossia if you prefer.

[Lee909]

For who?

The Sepreatives/Russians

[Stu Monty]

Cheers. Presumed so. 

 

The people have chosen self-determination, and that features being part of Russia. I await the nations meddling in Ukraine's affairs will no doubt recognise that now, what with everything being about freedom for people and all that (and not at all about destabilising a Ukraine that was allying itself with Russia).

[Red Phoenix]

We're actually pretty stupid collectively aren't we? As a species. A world war could start off at any time with these psychos and we're just basically allowing it to happen. The majority of the planet should be in uproar over these nazis in the Ukraine, NATO's scheming and the western bullshit that started it.

 

We are simply retarded as a species for the most part, it's a fact that can't be avoided really.

[bouncebrigade]

So they are supporting the free will and choices of the separatists then?

 

Given that NATO are looking to try and expand their military forces and antagonise Russia I'll be taking any of their media briefings with the pinch of salt they deserve. 

 

The people living where the forces are going want them there. That's the awkward fact that keeps getting in the way of the narrative of this.

 

Open to debate.

 

All those mass rallies we saw in Donetsk and Luhansk in support of Russia's presence were attended by a lot of, well, Russians.

 

Rule #1 of attempted annexation: Bus in thousands of your countrymen and pass them off as the locals.

[Stu Monty]

Open to debate.

 

All those mass rallies we saw in Donetsk and Luhansk in support of Russia's presence were attended by a lot of, well, Russians.

 

Rule #1 of attempted annexation: Bus in thousands of your countrymen and pass them off as the locals.

 

So you genuinely fall on the side of the people of Eastern Russia not wanting to be part of Russia then?

 

What evidence has brought you to that conclusion? 

 

It's open to debate but I'd say that most of the weight of evidence points to them wanting the Russians there, doesn't it?

 

Also, if that were a rule it's probably rule 76 isn't it, not rule 1. 

[Lee909]

I would trust anyone in yge

the Kremlin as far as I could throw them. The shit in Georgia and Chechneya in the past 16/20 years has shown they are as bad as any other government

[Captain]

Cheers. Presumed so. 

 

The people have chosen self-determination, and that features being part of Russia. I await the nations meddling in Ukraine's affairs will no doubt recognise that now, what with everything being about freedom for people and all that (and not at all about destabilising a Ukraine that was allying itself with Russia).

 

How have the people chosen this?

[Red Phoenix]

The US gov are winding China up as well : http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-08/28/c_133603306.htm

 

They're deranged. They're shit scared of the BRICS, they know the dollar is doomed, they're throwing their toys out of the pram because they can't hack anything but world domination. Fuck the dollar and the fraudulent US gov. The dollar can't remain the world's reserve currency and the petrodollar can fuck itself as well.

 

As for the criminality of what the US and EU have done in the Ukraine : how much evidence do some of you need before you realize that maybe Russia deserve a bit of slack here? Or do you just go on supporting the US and EU's bullshit no matter what? A touch of Stockholm syndrome maybe?

 

They're lying frauds.

[KopOut]

We're actually pretty stupid collectively aren't we? As a species. A world war could start off at any time with these psychos and we're just basically allowing it to happen. The majority of the planet should be in uproar over these nazis in the Ukraine, NATO's scheming and the western bullshit that started it.

 

We are simply retarded as a species for the most part, it's a fact that can't be avoided really.

Humanity moves one step backwards, followed by two steps backwards.

[Bjornebye]

I hope the ukraine go vietcong on the commie bastards

[Stu Monty]

How have the people chosen this?

 

Do you mean aside from most of the people there seemingly being pleased to have the Russians there?

[Captain]

Do you mean aside from most of the people there seemingly being pleased to have the Russians there?

 

Seemingly?

[Stu Monty]

Seemingly?

 

Sorry, do you want to counter my view and state that they aren't or are you just going to drag this shit out forever as per?

[Captain]

Sorry, do you want to counter my view and state that they aren't or are you just going to drag this shit out forever as per?

 

It's an honest question. Are you talking about the 'election'?

 

And as per? Fuck you, Stu.

[Jose Jones]

The US gov are winding China up as well : http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china/2014-08/28/c_133603306.htm

 

They're deranged. They're shit scared of the BRICS, they know the dollar is doomed, they're throwing their toys out of the pram because they can't hack anything but world domination. Fuck the dollar and the fraudulent US gov. The dollar can't remain the world's reserve currency and the petrodollar can fuck itself as well.

 

As for the criminality of what the US and EU have done in the Ukraine : how much evidence do some of you need before you realize that maybe Russia deserve a bit of slack here? Or do you just go on supporting the US and EU's bullshit no matter what? A touch of Stockholm syndrome maybe?

 

They're lying frauds.

 

I would say that Russia deserve the same spotlight you are putting on the US and EU in this instance RP.

[Red Phoenix]

I would say that Russia deserve the same spotlight you are putting on the US and EU in this instance RP.

 

The whole situation needs to be looked at in a better way, which includes why this started, what's happened inside the Ukraine, which countries and organizations have outside influence, and what that influence has resulted in. Every time something happens it's anti-Russia propaganda, and when nothing happens some anti-Russian propaganda is usually created instead.

 

Yes, it'd be better if Russia didn't feel the need to resort to sending arms/equipment/troops across the border if they have done, but in that case we also need to look at why they're doing this.

 

For example we should also remember to research into (if we're actually interested in the truth here.) :

 

Why NATO are trying to get to the Russian border,

what role Ukraine gas deposits play in this, and pipeline strategies,

how Russia are affecting the dollar and petrodollar ponzi scheme,

what really happened with MH17 and why the Ukraine government won't release the air traffic control data,

why an IMF "bailout" was announced on the 1st of May, well before the elections on the 25th,

why neo-nazi groups have been supported from the start by the west and why the mainstream western media mostly turns a blind eye to it,

why the US are so obsessed with Russia and global dominance,

why the Ukraine military have been firing ballistic missiles, or if not, why NATO said they had done and then denied it,

why the EU and US think that repeatedly creating new sanctions is helping anybody at all,

what other corporations are getting from this, like defence contractors for example.

 

We could clearly add dozens of other questions, it just depends on what type of detail is wanted.

 

The western media isn't asking these questions, so a responsibility should kick-in for the western public who are actually interested in what's going on here to find the truth elsewhere. If not, the role of corruption and propaganda by think tanks, governments, agencies and mainstream media outlets in the west should be looked at instead, until it's clear that the truth does actually need finding elsewhere.

[Jose Jones]

The whole situation needs to be looked at in a better way, which includes why this started, what's happened inside the Ukraine, which countries and organizations have outside influence, and what that influence has resulted in. Every time something happens it's anti-Russia propaganda, and when nothing happens some anti-Russian propaganda is usually created instead.

 

Yes, it'd be better if Russia didn't feel the need to resort to sending arms/equipment/troops across the border if they have done, but in that case we also need to look at why they're doing this.

 

For example we should also remember to research into (if we're actually interested in the truth here.) :

 

Why NATO are trying to get to the Russian border,

what role Ukraine gas deposits play in this, and pipeline strategies,

how Russia are affecting the dollar and petrodollar ponzi scheme,

what really happened with MH17 and why the Ukraine government won't release the air traffic control data,

why an IMF "bailout" was announced on the 1st of May, well before the elections on the 25th,

why neo-nazi groups have been supported from the start by the west and why the mainstream western media mostly turns a blind eye to it,

why the US are so obsessed with Russia and global dominance,

why the Ukraine military have been firing ballistic missiles, or if not, why NATO said they had done and then denied it,

why the EU and US think that repeatedly creating new sanctions is helping anybody at all,

what other corporations are getting from this, like defence contractors for example.

 

The western media isn't asking these questions, so a responsibility should kick-in for the western public who are actually interested in what's going on here to find the truth elsewhere. If not, the role of corruption and propaganda by think tanks, governments, agencies and mainstream media outlets in the west should be looked at instead, until it's clear that the truth does actually need finding elsewhere.

 

Well, you still seem to be entirely one-sided there matey.