Middle East Thread

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Between 2001 and 2009 the Muslim population increased almost 10 times faster than the non-Muslim population in UK. (thats from wikipedia) other nations such as france, holland and germany are growing faster. Now you do the math for the next years, Its not slowing down, and muslim families have about 5-10 kids while other have 1-2.

 

Take your blinkers of, just deal with the numbers and everyday observations and then ask yourself if this is what you want to become of europe or the world for that sake.

That's not evidence.

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Probably true, now, point me to where this actually happened. On a huge scale, like it's happening now.

Point me to your millions? Stop shifting the goalposts and back up your sensationalist claptrap that millions believe that their holy book gives them a right to murder.

 

Or delete your comment.,

[Jairzinho]

Between 2001 and 2009 the Muslim population increased almost 10 times faster than the non-Muslim population in UK. (thats from wikipedia) other nations such as france, holland and germany are growing faster. Now you do the math for the next years, Its not slowing down, and muslim families have about 5-10 kids while other have 1-2. 

 

Take your blinkers of, just deal with the numbers and everyday observations and then ask yourself if this is what you want to become of europe or the world for that sake. 

 

Will the none believers be welcome in europe at that time?

 

What do you think has led to this?

[Rico1304]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lWlnajxl04A

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lWlnajxl04A

Right, so are you going to edit your post from millions to a couple of hundred then?

[Funkasy]

What do you think has led to this?

Lots of it has to do with social benefits, the rest is people that actually want to change their life for the better and then its war. 

[Jairzinho]

Lots of it has to do with social benefits, the rest is people that actually want to change their life for the better and then its war. 

 

What do you mean by "social benefits" ?

[Funkasy]

Roof over your head and money for doing nothing.%

[Jairzinho]

Oh, I see.

[Rico1304]

Point me to your millions? Stop shifting the goalposts and back up your sensationalist claptrap that millions believe that their holy book gives them a right to murder.

Or delete your comment.,

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-will-britain-have-a-muslim-majority-by-2050/13690

 

Concludes that the Muslim population in the UK should never exceed 10% of the overall population, and that Muslims being the majority is extremely unlikely.

 

It also shows that Muslims traditionally have a higher birth rate, but that this reduces over time and especially when moving to western countries.

[Rico1304]

Right, so are you going to edit your post from millions to a couple of hundred then?

Nope, that was just an example on film, of self confessed moderates saying they believed in murder. There are 1.6bn Muslims in the world, if only 1% are hard core fundamentalists then that's 16m. Then you add the 'moderates'.

 

You'll probably get the numbers of Christians and try to extrapolate that back, or Hindus etc but where are they blowing up each other on a daily basis in the name of their book?

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

Can you show me the relevant parts. And were it says millions back murder?

[bouncebrigade]

Roof over your head and money for doing nothing.%

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTP2RUD_cL0

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

That video shows nothing, Rico.

 

It shows people sticking their hands up on a whim. Without really considering the issue.

 

Factor in the peer pressure in such situations. Oh, he's stuck his hand up, so I'll stick mine up. It happens in a show of hands vote. Irrespective of the subject. People don't answer the question truthfully, they answer the question popularly. Dont want to be the odd ones out, be that in their group, or the room.

 

12 Angry Men show of hands? You can even see on that video that people wait to see what other people, their mates have done, and then raise their hands not wanting to be the odd one out.

[Jairzinho]

So, what's the solution then? How do we prevent all these Muslim scroungers coming over here and getting a roof over their head?

 

Murder more of them than we already have been, or in fact are, doing? Continue raping the resources of their countries? Keep flip flopping between rival factions of nutcases within the Middle East dependent on which of them best support making the rich richer in the West?

 

Its worked wonderfully to limit the spread of radical Islam so far.

[bouncebrigade]

Get some Muslim individual with a bit of authority (I think there's a guy in Egypt who might fit the bill) to come out and state explicitly that the Koran does not permit acts of violence against non-Muslims. That's if that is actually the case.

 

As far as I can see, ambiguity in the Koran gives these crack pots a free pass to do whatever the fuck they like.

[Funkasy]

So, what's the solution then? How do we prevent all these Muslim scroungers coming over here and getting a roof over their head?

 

Murder more of them than we already have been, or in fact are, doing? Continue raping the resources of their countries? Keep flip flopping between rival factions of nutcases within the Middle East dependent on which of them best support making the rich richer in the West?

 

Its worked wonderfully to limit the spread of radical Islam so far.

about 1/4 of the muslims in germany are from turkey, after they hit pension age they move back to turkey and live out their remaining days on pension from germany, nothing to do with war or anything else. 

 

reports in danish papers show that many of the political refugees that are living in denmark are having vacations in the country that they fled from twice a year, all while the danish state is paying heavily for their "survival" 

[Boss]

The problem actually is Islam, it's not just blanket religious fundamentalism in and of itself. There are people that passionately believe in buddhism but the concepts of buddhism teach tolerance, love and compassion for all living things, so by being an extremist they might feel an urgency to press that agenda, but the agenda is about peace and spiritual understanding.

 

Islam at it's core is anti woman's rights, anti homosexual, anti all other religions, separatist (praying six times per day, halal meat only, no drinking alcohol) it creates that separatism by itself. Their religion is inherently intolerant and staunchly right wing authoritarian, which is why it's so strange that the left wing liberals in this country are so quick to saddle onside with them and allow the seed to grow further.

 

Could you imagine the left being so tolerant to the BNP or UKIP for instance?  I don't see them propagating stoning's for adultery and your hands being chopped off for theft, in fact Islam is so far right wing in makes right wing party politics in this country look tolerant by comparison. Now i'm a lefty but i disagree on this issue, acting in this liberalist pie in the sky George Galloway way that "it's our fault and we reap what we sow" is a potentially disastrous way of trying to deal with the problem.

[stringvest]

I don't believe in Beatles.

I just believe in me.

[Rico1304]

Can you show me the relevant parts. And were it says millions back murder?

Sharia law mandates death for apostasy, adultery and lots of other stuff. That's good enough for me.

[Anny Road]

I don't believe in Beatles.

I just believe in me

I don't believe in me

I just believe in the Beatles.

[Red Phoenix]

What are you talking about? I'm talking about millions upon millions of people who believe an ancient book gives them the right to murder.

 

What about the governments, corporations, think tanks, right-wing media, intelligence agencies and military that think they have a right to murder? Or do we just get distracted and think it's all about religion?

[Rico1304]

What about the governments, corporations, think tanks, right-wing media, intelligence agencies and military that think they have a right to murder? Or do we just get distracted and think it's all about religion?

What about them. Start a thread about them.

[Stu Monty]

Sharia law mandates death for apostasy, adultery and lots of other stuff. That's good enough for me.

 

Do you want to see some figures for how many millions in this country approve of state murder?

 

I agree that you're talking about a lot of nasty, angry views; but lets not pretend it's a unique thing.