Middle East Thread

[Anny Road]

It is as if we want russia to sink a ship.

[Section_31]

Heh:

 

Russian President Vladimir Putin denounced the raids as aggression that will make the humanitarian crisis in Syria worse and called for an emergency meeting of the United Nations Security Council. Putin added that the strike had a "destructive influence on the entire system of international relations."

 

The Russians are like mancs, start on your bird in the pub then when you kick off pretend they were only joking and it's actually you that was out of order.

 

Fuck him and the coup de'ville he rode in on.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Yeah, it's the UK and US that have destroyed the place. Not Russia. Good one.

[Neil G]

Thought you only need approval to deploy troops. In terms of sending a few RAF fighters over, the PM can do without any approval I think.

There’s no legal requirement for Parliament to vote on any military deployment, even the large-scale use of ground troops. It’s a convention that was started by Blair over Iraq, because it was so controversial he felt he needed the endorsement.

 

The Opposition can call for a debate on any military action, but it’s entirely up to the PM to decide whether there’s a vote. I expect a Corbyn government would seek to change this.

[Neil G]

If Russia has been bombing them for 4 years why are we all going to die because we’ve joined in?

Russia has been bombing Assad for four years? He’s done bloody well to survive then.

[Section_31]

I always think our contribution to these things is a bit embarrassing though. The yanks will be dropping aircraft carriers on Belgrade or something and we'll have four, thirty year old bombers all being flown by James Blunt's cousins and at least one of them will get shot down and captured and appear on the front page of the daily mirror.

[cloggypop]

@OPCW: [emoji837] In response to media queries, the Spokesperson for the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) confirms that the OPCW Fact-Finding Mission (FFM) team is on its way to Syria and will start its work as of Saturday 14 April 2018. https://twitter.com/OPCW/status/984459594633285632/photo/1

[Anubis]

I always think our contribution to these things is a bit embarrassing though. The yanks will be dropping aircraft carriers on Belgrade or something and we'll have four, thirty year old bombers all being flown by James Blunt's cousins and at least one of them will get shot down and captured and appear on the front page of the daily mirror.

 

Let's not have any more Mr Batchelors.

 

 

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk/2007/apr/23/military.davidpallister

 

 

The Royal Navy was forced to defend one of the 15 sailors taken hostage by Iran yesterday after pictures in Sunday newspapers showed Arthur Batchelor in a nightclub appearing to make fun of his ordeal.

 

Mr Batchelor, who sold his story to a national newspaper, became the butt of jokes when he revealed that he had cried when the Iranians, who called him Mr Bean, took away his iPod.

 

In one of the pictures, which were originally posted on the club's website, he is shown blindfolded with a friend pointing pistol-shaped fingers at his head.

 

Although the Mail on Sunday referred to him as the "hostage who learned nothing from his ordeal" and the News of the World branded his behaviour "shameful", the navy took a more relaxed view of his antics. "Arthur Batchelor has been through a very traumatic experience and is just letting his hair down," a spokesman said. "We do not police navy personnel in their own time."

[Lee909]

We do not Police Navy personnel in their own time

 

 

What a load of fucking bullshit that is

[Nelly-Szoboszlai]

Russia has been bombing Assad for four years? He’s done bloody well to survive then.

Yes. I thought that a strange comment but wasn't sure if it was one of Rico's cryptic 3-2-1 style joke posts.

 

Anyway, it all looks much ado about nothing. Limited strikes which won't really have a great effect on Syria's ability to carry out future chemical weapons attacks (or kill in many other ways) and likely limited by design to prevent any sort of escalation.

 

More done to try and enforce certain people's reputations to make them look tough and true to their word.

[sir roger]

@OPCW: [emoji837] In response to media queries, the Spokesperson for the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) confirms that the OPCW Fact-Finding Mission (FFM) team is on its way to Syria and will start its work as of Saturday 14 April 2018. https://twitter.com/OPCW/status/984459594633285632/photo/1

 

Let's hope they never got bombed as they got there.

[Ginny]

Is there oil in Syria by any chance?

[Numero Veinticinco]

Is there oil in Syria by any chance?

Not much, and it's not extracted by blowing up chemical weapons factories either.

[Lee909]

Not much, and it's not extracted by blowing up chemical weapons factories either.

 

 

By the sounds of that link earlier rather than just bombing their factories we could possibly have just exported the gases to them.

 

 

 

And im not saying there should be no intervention but imo it should be UN led after the UN checks the area and decides on action. Not just a US led attack

[skend04]

Is there oil in Syria by any chance?

Nah, it's just a convenient area of the planet where the West and Russia can't kill their own people when having a dick measuring competition.

[Section_31]

By the sounds of that link earlier rather than just bombing their factories we could possibly have just exported the gases to them.

 

 

 

And im not saying there should be no intervention but imo it should be UN led after the UN checks the area and decides on action. Not just a US led attack

The UN is shite though, emasculated by George W Bush's decision to disregard it and wade into Iraq.

 

Been impotent for years before hand too. Ask Rwandans, Somalians and Kosovans what they think of UN peacekeepers.

[Strontium]

Struggling to work out why so many people have an issue with us impairing Syria's ability to murder its own citizens.

[Numero Veinticinco]

Struggling to work out why so many people have an issue with us impairing Syria's ability to murder its own citizens.

Once bitten, twice suspect I'd guess.

[moof]

What? Theresa May doesn’t give a solitary fuck about the Syrian citizens, neither does Donald trump.

[Bjornebye]

It is as if we want russia to sink a ship.

Trump would love that

[Rico1304]

Yes. I thought that a strange comment but wasn't sure if it was one of Rico's cryptic 3-2-1 style joke posts.

 

Anyway, it all looks much ado about nothing. Limited strikes which won't really have a great effect on Syria's ability to carry out future chemical weapons attacks (or kill in many other ways) and likely limited by design to prevent any sort of escalation.

 

More done to try and enforce certain people's reputations to make them look tough and true to their word.

I meant the brown people.

[Pidge]

@OPCW: [emoji837] In response to media queries, the Spokesperson for the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW) confirms that the OPCW Fact-Finding Mission (FFM) team is on its way to Syria and will start its work as of Saturday 14 April 2018. https://twitter.com/OPCW/status/984459594633285632/photo/1

 

Good.

 

I trust there'll be a robust inquiry into the decision to take military action without parliamentary approval...

 

Hopefully it has a significant impact on Syria's capability to inflict these atrocities again, unfortunately they have plenty of further options on that front.

 

SD, I assume people's reactions are more to do with the fact they aren't keen on the potential for escalation with Russia. 

[moof]

Once bitten, twice suspect I'd guess.

Maybe we just don’t like to see Theresa circumvent parliament to follow president orange fuckflump into a pointless escalation of tensions before an investigation has been allowed to take place.

 

Can’t fathom why some are trying to paint this as some kind of act of noble selflessness. There are quite clearly agendas at play, here. Don’t try and pretend we care about the slaughter of innocent civilians all of a sudden

[ZonkoVille77]

Is there oil in Syria by any chance?

There's land under which pipelines can be run from the Gulf states to Europe. Good enough reason to want rid of someone who doesn't want western influence in his country.

[Lee909]

Struggling to work out why so many people have an issue with us impairing Syria's ability to murder its own citizens.

 

 

Maybe if Cable and Cameron had not granted export licenses for the agents to make the chemical weapons we would have a leg to stand on