Sakho

[Dr Nowt]

I just found it baffling that many posters here whose opinion on football matters I think highly of e.g., Sugar Ape (wherever he is), rate him as the dogs bollocks. Compared to our CBs of the not so distant past; Hyypia, Carra, Henchoz, Agger.. he's awful.

Perhaps you could go on and on and on and fucking on about it, forever, so everyone knows that's how you feel?

[3 Stacks]

I just found it baffling that many posters here whose opinion on football matters I think highly of e.g., Sugar Ape (wherever he is), rate him as the dogs bollocks. Compared to our CBs of the not so distant past; Hyypia, Carra, Henchoz, Agger.. he's awful.

 

Fortunately for most of these players they didn't have to be coached by Brendan Rodgers at all or for very long and in the case of Agger and Carragher, they didn't exactly look good when they did.

 

What you fail to understand is that in almost every single case, defenders are made to look good by the system. Sakho did not have the luxury of playing in a solid team coached by Houllier and Benitez. In terms of skill level, saying Sakho is "awful" in comparison to the names you mention is simply clueless.  I would have hated to see a prime Carragher or Hyypia in a Brendan Rodgers team. They would have looked like fucking trash.

 

Sakho is clearly an unprofessional moron but the reason lots rated him was because it was fairly clear to see he had talent.

[aRdja]

Carragher and Hyypia would've been fine under Rodgers as they were excellent defenders. Far better than Sakho is or has ever been. Ancelotti who I rate as a brilliant manager who's managed some of the best defenders the world has ever seen, benched Sakho the first chance he got and stripped him off his captaincy. It was a stupid 'moneyball' gamble that backfired which unfortunately has become unflushable.

[mouse1989]

Unflushable?

 

We will probably get most our money back on the lad. He's out the door because of his off field antics, not down to his on field performances

[3 Stacks]

Carragher and Hyypia would've been fine under Rodgers as they were excellent defenders. Far better than Sakho is or has ever been. Ancelotti who I rate as a brilliant manager who's managed some of the best defenders the world has ever seen, benched Sakho the first chance he got and stripped him off his captaincy. It was a stupid 'moneyball' gamble that backfired which unfortunately has become unflushable.

 

No, they really wouldn't have. I don't care how good they were, it's impossible to look good when your manager completely disregards the defensive side of the game and provides a "structure" where the central defenders aren't being protected. 

 

John Terry looked like he was a million years old when AVB was Chelsea manager and then he reverted back into one of the best defenders in the league when Mourinho came back and Chelsea won the title. The same sort of decline in performance would have happened if prime Carragher and Hyypia had played under Rodgers.

[TheHowieLama]

Will easily be in the top two or three turds we have ever flushed. 

[Jim MM]

We're still only wiping him off our arse, he'll go on the first flush and not even leave a skidmark.

[aRdja]

No, they really wouldn't have. I don't care how good they were, it's impossible to look good when your manager completely disregards the defensive side of the game and provides a "structure" where the central defenders aren't being protected.

 

John Terry looked like he was a million years old when AVB was Chelsea manager and then he reverted back into one of the best defenders in the league when Mourinho came back and Chelsea won the title. The same sort of decline in performance would have happened if prime Carragher and Hyypia had played under Rodgers.

It looks to me like you're implying that as a defender, Sakho is as good as Terry, Hyypia, and Carragher... but for Rodgers and his attitude. I disagree, I think he's a donkey.. Even under Klopp he didn't look very good.. go watch the replay of the game against Watford last season where Ighalo destroyed him.... or the home leg vs Dortmund, where he was at fault for all three goals. As I said earlier, Ancelotti who knows a thing or two about excellent defenders couldn't wait to remove Sakho from his PSG side.

 

Prime Terry would've been fine under AVB as he was a brilliant defender. You could still judge a player's ability independent of the defensive structure or system e.g., Traore was an awful left back despite Benitez's good defensive structure and protection. Biscan was awful as a centre back despite Houllier's defensive approach. More recently, Matip looks like an excellent defender even when playing alongside two midfielders at the back (in Lucas and Milner), and behind Jordan Henderson only a handful of games into his career as a defensive midfielder.

[TheHowieLama]

Milner is one of the top LB's in the league and Henderson has been the top Dmid in the league.

 

Just sayin

[aRdja]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-sell-mamadou-sakho-next-12266848

 

I wonder what he did to piss Klopp off so much.

[Guest Pistonbroke]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-sell-mamadou-sakho-next-12266848

 

I wonder what he did to piss Klopp off so much.

 

Pre-season shenanigans, especially coming off the back of the pills affair and being missing for an important final. We'll probably never find out if Sakho said things when Klopp reprimanded him as that isn't Klopp's style. 

[jimmycase]

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-sell-mamadou-sakho-next-12266848

 

I wonder what he did to piss Klopp off so much.

 

Continually flouting club rules and calling Klopp out on some social media wouldnt have helped, Id say.

[Lee909]

Its got to be more than fucking around in preseason surely. He was willing to give him a chance after the pills issue so you would have thought a month ir two in the cold after would have seen him back. He either must have fucked him off with something else or with the second fuck up Klopp just gone full ill make a statement to the rest of the squad.

 

Anyone notice the line in the mirror about Sturridge

 

Firmino will play through the pain of a similar injury today. Sounds a line leaked through the club

[jimmycase]

Its got to be more than fucking around in preseason surely. He was willing to give him a chance after the pills issue so you would have thought a month ir two in the cold after would have seen him back. He either must have fucked him off with something else or with the second fuck up Klopp just gone full ill make a statement to the rest of the squad.

 

Anyone notice the line in the mirror about Sturridge

 

Firmino will play through the pain of a similar injury today. Sounds a line leaked through the club

 

I think the comment about Firmino training in a little 'pain' was very telling especially when Klopp also said Sturridge will not be sold 'in January.'

[Lee909]

He isnt going to come out and say "yeah we want to sell the man as unlike humpty dumpty nobody can out Sturridge back together again"

[Ne Moe Imya]

You'd think that, but then he's basically come right out and briefed the entire football world that we're selling Sakho.

 

I'm not sure Klopp is even capable of playing the usual football doublespeak games.  If there's bad news or something he doesn't want in public, he usually just says nothing at all.  He's not really one for the "he's not for sale" and then 24 hours later he's signing for another club, no matter how sensible that policy can be at certain times.

 

Too bad about Sakho, really.  Still think he's a top defender.  Someone will be getting a bargain, especially if we let him go for under 15m (which I assume we will, given the situation).

[bonesman]

Klopps BIG on discipline, said his father was 'ruthless / relentless', Sakhos not. 

[AngryOfTuebrook]

Too bad about Sakho, really.  Still think he's a top defender.  Someone will be getting a bargain, especially if we let him go for under 15m (which I assume we will, given the situation).

True.

 

I'd hoped that whatever has gone on between him and Klopp would end in Sakho knuckling down and convincing the manager that he has earned his place, at least on the bench.  For whatever reason, that hasn't happened, so he's on his way and we'll need a replacement.

 

It's not the way I would have liked this to end, but I still trust Klopp's judgement.

[A_S]

In a world where John Stones is worth £50M, Sakho has to at least be worth his original fee, surely?

[Lee909]

Not when everyone knows you dont want him and want his 100k wages off the books

[Dr Nowt]

Guessing Klopp is having to look at the overall value to us of removing what he views as a detrimental influence within the squad, while laying down a MAAAAAAAR-CAH to anyone else who may get the idea they can set their own rules.

 

Not much else he can do under the circumstances, it's clear his whole ethos is based on everyone pulling in the same direction within the club, dressing room and fanbase.  Sometimes you can't just pretend everything is fine to give yourself a better hand in negotiations when you sell someone.

 

Worth more to him to just remove the problem and show everyone who runs the show.

[A_S]

Not when everyone knows you dont want him and want his 100k wages off the books

Give PSG a call?

[aRdja]

Give PSG a call?

They got rid of him in the first place!

[Baltar]

Can we forgive and forget? We don't have the luxury of getting rid of a talented defender like Sakho, certainly not after today's debacle. If it's a choice between Sakho, Lovren, Lucas and Klavan, Sakho wins every time and does so easily. With Matip missing Sakho would have been an ideal replacement.

[jimmycase]

Dear god, we'd have conceeded more with him in the team.