Malaysian Boeing 777 goes missing

[JohnnyH]

Yes, but it wasn't through lack of people wanting to fly is what I meant.

People will always have to fly. It's become a necessity for so many. But lots also stopped. There was an odd repercussion of September 11th that deaths on the road in America sky-rocketed. People wouldn't fly and so took to the roads for long travel and so deaths went through the roof.

 

A spate of pilot suicides, even if it's only a perception of a spate, will have the same affect. As you say, a lithium fire from a mobility aid for example is something people can take on board and can accept mitigations to prevent it happening again, and will board their next flight. Pilots flying planes into the ground on purpose is a lot harder to convince the travelling public you've got a handle on.

[stringvest]

This is no time for arguing. There are 300 people fighting for their lives on some remote dinosaur infested island for fucks sake

[Jose Jones]

People are just subconsciously trained to do it I think. If you look at every single subject where a conspiracy theory is put forward, there's ridicule every time, the "theorist" is generalised along with the worst of the worst, it can't be a coincidence. The odds are stacked against it in a massive way when you look at it seriously.

 

You could have people defending Corbyn against insane amounts of establishment bullshit and propaganda, but those same people would likely switch into a completely different state instantly as soon as a conspiracy theory on another subject is put forward. That's just the way it is.

 

It's sad that ridicule sways people and is part of that subconscious narrative that starts others off doing the same thing, but that's this reality for you. It's the easy option that preserves world views and more comfortable beliefs. The world is fucked up, controlled in several ways by oligarchic idiocy, and that, along with all of the lies and shite they get their people spewing out each and every day, is just what we have to deal with.

 

I'd guess that if things work out properly, at some point, the idea of a conspiracy will just be seen as another option when something out of the ordinary has happened (as long as it's reasonable to an extent.) One that's looked at genuinely, along with all of the other ideas, and without so much of the ridicule. The rich and powerful clearly don't want that though, because their bullshit will come into focus more, so it's not going to happen easily.

 

I'm not saying this event has to be a conspiracy, or am I directing any of this post towards who you're arguing with, I'm just meaning in general.

 

Do you reckon? 

I think those "theories" which are supported by more evidence are generally thought through by more people and dug into and found out.  Mostly.  JFK assassination for example, many and multiple theories around that starting from the moment he was shot and still going - barely any ridicule - despite the fact that no clear explanation other than the lone gunman has ever been fully proven. 

Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq - thousands marching the streets protesting the war - everyone pretty much acknowledges now that it was a load of bollocks cooked up by the US and UK governments.

Watergate - led to the impeachment of Nixon.

Moon Landings are faked - pretty simple to point out the flaws in the theory, people get ridiculed.

9/11 - most of the "theories" have massive holes in them, so get ridiculed.

 

Perhaps the paedo ring makes one for the other side of the argument.

[Anubis]

This is no time for arguing. There are 300 people fighting for their lives on some remote dinosaur infested island for fucks sake

 

Is it wrong to root for the dinosaurs?

 

I always did want the T-Rex to eat the kids in Jurassic Park.

[Red Phoenix]

Do you reckon? 

I think those "theories" which are supported by more evidence are generally thought through by more people and dug into and found out.  Mostly.  JFK assassination for example, many and multiple theories around that starting from the moment he was shot and still going - barely any ridicule - despite the fact that no clear explanation other than the lone gunman has ever been fully proven. 

Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq - thousands marching the streets protesting the war - everyone pretty much acknowledges now that it was a load of bollocks cooked up by the US and UK governments.

Watergate - led to the impeachment of Nixon.

Moon Landings are faked - pretty simple to point out the flaws in the theory, people get ridiculed.

9/11 - most of the "theories" have massive holes in them, so get ridiculed.

 

Perhaps the paedo ring makes one for the other side of the argument.

 

Ok then, almost every single time a conspiracy theory is put forward, there's over the top ridicule, and it serves those in power for that to be the case. I think the official 9/11 "theory" has a fair few holes in it too.

[Jose Jones]

Ok then, almost every single time a conspiracy theory is put forward, there's over the top ridicule, and it serves those in power for that to be the case. I think the official 9/11 "theory" has a fair few holes in it too.

I agree on the "official" explanation of 9/11 and others like JFK as well. There are normally either people covering their backs who either knew some of what was going on or fucked up that fudge the facts.

I also agree that throughout history those in power have generally wanted to stop people questioning things. Because knowledge is power and whatnot.

 

What I was disputing was that people's natural reaction is to ridicule. I think we're in the most credible period there's been.

[Anny Road]

What makes me laugh is that people say 9/11 cannot have been an inside job. A government would not kill there own people like that.

Have a read up on the Somme. A million where killed or injured. Gallipoli near 200,000.they would not blink. Not saying they did it but don't think they wouldn't.

[VladimirIlyich]

What makes me laugh is that people say 9/11 cannot have been an inside job. A government would not kill there own people like that.

Have a read up on the Somme. A million where killed or injured. Gallipoli near 200,000.they would not blink. Not saying they did it but don't think they wouldn't.

The First World War is the prime example of governments and rulers not giving a shit about its people. Very few lessons have been learnt from it either.

[Rico1304]

Will the fact that more planes allow mobile use mean that we'll always know exactly where those planes are? 

[Cardie]

What makes me laugh is that people say 9/11 cannot have been an inside job. A government would not kill there own people like that.

Have a read up on the Somme. A million where killed or injured. Gallipoli near 200,000.they would not blink. Not saying they did it but don't think they wouldn't.

Slight difference between ordering people to run at people with guns and rigging two buildings in the middle of one of the busiest cities in the world with explosives whilst simultaneously orchestrating an air attack using jumbo jets as missiles to cover up the bombs and keeping it all secret.

 

 

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

Will the fact that more planes allow mobile use mean that we'll always know exactly where those planes are? 

 

They won't be trackable if they can't connect to mobile phone towers. They might not have any signal in the middle of the ocean.

 

EDIT: That second line reads as sarcastic. It's not. I genuinely have no idea if you could get signal or not, with a normal telephone. I know there are specialist phones but I don't even know if they would work out there.

[Cardie]

Will the fact that more planes allow mobile use mean that we'll always know exactly where those planes are?

You go just outside the boundaries of a major city (and sometimes within the boundaries of a major city) and you can't make a phone call because the signal is shit let alone hundreds or thousands of miles out to seas.

 

 

[Rico1304]

They won't be trackable if they can't connect to mobile phone towers. They might not have any signal in the middle of the ocean.

 

EDIT: That second line reads as sarcastic. It's not. I genuinely have no idea if you could get signal or not, with a normal telephone. I know there are specialist phones but I don't even know if they would work out there.

 No worries, I was just thinking that there would need to be some direct (maybe satellite) link to allow the wi-fi connection.  Once you've got that it can be triangulated and the last gasp pinpointed. 

[Rico1304]

You go just outside the boundaries of a major city (and sometimes within the boundaries of a major city) and you can't make a phone call because the signal is shit let alone hundreds or thousands of miles out to seas.

 

I used a phone on a plane in 1999 - that must have had a connection to something.

[Rick Sanchez C-137]

 No worries, I was just thinking that there would need to be some direct (maybe satellite) link to allow the wi-fi connection.  Once you've got that it can be triangulated and the last gasp pinpointed. 

 

I'd guess that'd be a special connection built into the planes communication tech, and as such could be switched off.

[Anny Road]

Slight difference between ordering people to run at people with guns and rigging two buildings in the middle of one of the busiest cities in the world with explosives whilst simultaneously orchestrating an air attack using jumbo jets as missiles to cover up the bombs and keeping it all secret.

I'm not suggesting it was US run. But I recon a few important people new and lowered their guard slightly to ensure they pulled it off.

[Scott_M]

This is no time for arguing. There are 300 people fighting for their lives on some remote dinosaur infested island for fucks sake

It's Ok, they shot the polar bear (which never was explained), opened the hatch, some got taken by 'The Others' and then everybody lost interest.

[Brownie]

The wing part has just been confirmed as being from the missing plane.

[Rico1304]

RP has only lost one of his 99 theories, the moon one.

 

Although it might have broken up on re-entry.

[JohnnyH]

That piece of wing has been bobbing around the water for 17 months. Hopefully we're a step closer to them finding the aircraft, but that piece of wing could have travelled God knows how far over the last year and a bit. But hopefully they can limit the area.

[Rico1304]

That piece of wing has been bobbing around the water for 17 months. Hopefully we're a step closer to them finding the aircraft, but that piece of wing could have travelled God knows how far over the last year and a bit. But hopefully they can limit the area.

It was put on the beach last week by Mossad in a Bloomberg backed plot to prevent us finding out the queen is a lizard.

[JohnnyH]

It was put on the beach last week by Mossad in a Bloomberg backed plot to prevent us finding out the queen is a lizard.

Bloody Jews.

[Anny Road]

Bah. It's just been chucked off a US carrier a few miles away.

[Bjornebye]

Some of its in the drink

[Bjornebye]

It was put on the beach last week by Mossad in a Bloomberg backed plot to prevent us finding out the queen is a lizard.

Had to steal this Rico you funny fucker