Chemical Weapons

[dennis tooth]

You said the US and France have plenty enough evidence, Im asking you to back up your claim. Very simple for you.

[dennis tooth]

 

 

Come back I just wanna talk!

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Thanks for the few minutes you've given me to respond. Whilst that's almost an eternity in the mind of the mentally unstable - no doubt you'll be spunking into your hand and throwing it at your nurse out of boredom any minute now - it's not long to compose a reply. I'll reply to you when I'm ready.

[dennis tooth]

Save it. I'd rather not read some more longwinded shite, then putting me ignore so you dont have to back any of that shit up.

Its very clear already with the way you are acting, hoping it will go away for 15 pages, then refusing to post your own post, then praying for more time by disparaging unremarkable remarks so you can get back to simpler matters like whether sarin was used or not, Im not really that interested, theres no words you can say that will unsay what you already wrote. You have no face left to save. Quit while you're behind mate.

 

For the sake of clarity,

 

"The US and French already have plenty enough evidence to show it was Syria. "

 

"I was questioning the quality and reliability of the US and France's evidence"

 

 

I dont really care whether you can bend the space/time continuum in your next post, you clearly are talking total shit and we should end on that note if you have any shred of dignity left.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Save it. I'd rather not read some more longwinded shite

'REPLY, REPLY! WHY AREN'T YOU REPLYING YOU COWARD'. 'DON'T BOTHER REPLYING, I DON'T WANT TO READ IT'. Good one.

 

then putting me ignore so you dont have to back any of that shit up.

I'll back anything I say in this thread, or change my mind if new evidence arrives. But it'll have to be what I actually say, not the shit that comes out of your mind. I've got the reply open in another tab, getting the sources you require. It'll be after the football, hopefully your meds will have kicked in by then and you'll remember just how crazy you are. Probably not, but I'll give it a crack anyway.

 

For the sake of clarity,

 

"The US and French already have plenty enough evidence to show it was Syria. "

 

"I was questioning the quality and reliability of the US and France's evidence"

That's everything I wrote. You've got me bang to rights there, mate. All that's left for me to do is apologise. Wait, what's that? That's not all I wrote? I also said, ' The only debatable thing is whether that evidence, released in two dossiers, is some huge conspiracy with fabricated evidence or if its just evidence'? OMG. The revelation. Well, not really, it was there all along.

 

 

I dont really care whether you can bend the space/time continuum in your next post, you clearly are talking total shit and we should end on that note if you have any shred of dignity left.

It's probably best if we get one thing straight, you're in no position to judge anybody's dignity.

[dennis tooth]

Stupid muthafucka, Im still waiting son.

You have the full post above.

In any case, you've already made a judgement, here, in your own words

 

"I've said it was the Syrian Regime"

 

There were a lot of other golden quotes Ive left out, its very simple, for the 9 thousandth time, lets see the plenty of evidence to show it was Syria.

 

Yeah, Im crazy, get over it and get on with the debate. Im only asking you back up your claim.

We can trade generic insults all day every day after you do that.

 

Oh and feel free to provide a list of: "unbiased reputable sources" you also claimed to know about.

[dennis tooth]

What evidence please?

?

Yeah. The evidence points to the Syrian regime. The only thing left to debate now is the validity of the evidence.

 

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

So you now want a reply again now? Thought you weren't interested? As I said, I'll reply when I'm ready.

[dennis tooth]

Posted 04 September 2013 - 11:19 AM

bossy said

NV you are for intervention can you point me to substantiated evidence that the Syrian government did the dirty?

Numero Veinticinco said
Only the dossier of intelligence from the US and the intelligence the nione-page intelligence report released by the French.

Just a minor addition to your posts, I'm for limited intervention.

[dennis tooth]

Sorry Ive got no time to wait for you so I will just go on and humiliate you while I wait.

[dennis tooth]

 If conspiracy theorists want to be treated as if their theory is credible, they certainly do have to offer proof. Spouting random bollocks isn't okay when those asking for evidence are being sneered at and mocked for not blindly accepting their version of unproven events.

 

haha, I'll have that point however.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Sorry Ive got no time to wait for you so I will just go on and humiliate you while I wait.

Please do. I'm watching the football. I'll be back to help you make yourself look like a moron later.

[dennis tooth]

I'm not really sure how that's relevant to the Syrian regime killing almost 1500 of their own citizens, a third of whom were children, with chemical weapons.

 

Does his predecessors wars mean Obama can't try to stop Assad targeting his own people with chemical weapons? Say what you want about America, but they've never gassed their own people for having the temerity to live in an opposition controlled area.

Back it up back it in, let me begin............

[dennis tooth]

I don't really see what events of WWII, especially acts by the attacked against the facist, mass-murdering genocidal attackers, have to do with current acts of the Syrian regime against their own civilians.

Before the French and US intelligence reports where even released.

[dennis tooth]

Chemical weapons are absolutely horrific. They were horrific when the US used them, they're horrific no matter what. They way they kill is about as bad as is possible. I didn't think it was okay to drop any bombs on any Iraqis, Afghans, or anybody else, but we shouldn't mix the two situations. Syria are using chemical weapons on their own civilian population. Regardless of how bad the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq were, they shouldn't make a legal, international response totally out of the question.

 

However, I've got to agree with Scott. Any Western involvement was start quite the shit storm.

Again, this is a week before the reports were released.

 

Enjoy the match, you only made me dig deeper into you claims in this thread, which you have asserted fully, long before the release of what you are basing you claim upon.

 

Or did you have evidence on the 26th of August even before the US and French intel services?

 

Better start firing up that time space continuum bender for the GF.

 

You do understand the phrase confirmation bias dont you?

[dennis tooth]

So you now want a reply again now? Thought you weren't interested? As I said, I'll reply when I'm ready.

There's no reply you can give. Other than 'I admit to being caught out as a billy bullshitter with no concrete evidence for what I've claimed time and again throughout but the Guardian has manipulated my tiny little mind into imagining things that arent there. Im ashamed of myself for trying to hide for a long time behind insults and strawmen when I had little else to offer the debate, I should have at least stepped back when the evidence I so wanted to appear didnt materialise, a bit like my fellow false claimant SD. Who sheepishly has not been seen for some time. Once again I have gotten ahead of myself in my lust to use my supahknowledge to predict a future I would like myself to be at the forefront, a pioneering buccaneering crushing all opponents but been pegged back by my own sense of self satisfaction. I would like to thank Dennis for taking me to task and confronting me with my own horrific posts'

 

But you wont will you?

I await the inevitable diatribe and a french dossier with some maps showing government areas and rebel areas and some videos of gassed people that were inadvertantly sent to Jeremy Beadle instead of the UN and intercepted by Numero.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Any more, Dennis? Tell me when you're done. I want you to get everything out now. Then I can tackle your mentalism in one post.

[dennis tooth]

Nar Ive got enough there. 

 

Should be easy for you, you've typed your reply already, gun's loaded, you're poised, finger on the trigger. All that remains is to pull it.

 

I'm about to be dismantled and shivering with worry.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Nar Ive got enough there.

 

Should be easy for you, you've typed your reply already, gun's loaded, you're poised, finger on the trigger. All that remains is to pull it.

 

I'm about to be dismantled and shivering with worry.

So that's it? You're done?

[dennis tooth]

I've been here since ten o'clock last night. It's now five o'clock in the morning. We've finished off the Pernod, the ouzo, the Old Spice, even the industrial strength floor cleaner. Three litres of it. I've explained the rules of chess to you one hundred and twenty-four times, and I'm buggered if I'm going to let you delay the game another ten minutes while you scan though a few back copies of Amateur Photographer! Okay? Right. King's prawn to king's prawn four.

 

 

Check mate, your move creep! etc.

[Red Phoenix]

I've been here since ten o'clock last night. It's now five o'clock in the morning. We've finished off the Pernod, the ouzo, the Old Spice, even the industrial strength floor cleaner. Three litres of it. I've explained the rules of chess to you one hundred and twenty-four times, and I'm buggered if I'm going to let you delay the game another ten minutes while you scan though a few back copies of Amateur Photographer! Okay? Right. King's prawn to king's prawn four.

 

 

Check mate, your move creep! etc.

 

You should really cut back on that stuff, it's not good for your liver.

 

 

Extract from an article at Global Research :

 

 

 

Why do (some) U.S. leaders seek war against Syria? Like Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya and dozens of other countries that have felt America’s terrible swift sword—Syria has been committing economic nationalism, trying to chart its own course rather than putting itself in service to the western plutocracy. Like Iran, China, Russia and some other nations, Syria has currency controls and other restrictions on foreign investments. Like those other nations, Syria lacks the proper submissiveness. It is not a satellite to the U.S. imperium. And any nation that is not under the politico-economic sway of the U.S. global plutocracy is considered an enemy or a potential enemy.

 

The Assad government had social programs for its people, far from perfect services but still better than what might be found in many U.S. satellite countries. When Iraqi refugees fled to Syria to escape U.S. military destruction, the Assad government gave them full benefits. So with the Libyan refugees who crossed over a few years later. Generally Damascus presided over a multi-ethnic society, relatively free of sectarian intolerance and violence.

 

Syria has been ruled by the Ba’ath Party which has dominated the country’s parliament and military for half a century. The party’s slogan is “Unity, Freedom, Socialism.” Socialism? Now that gets us closer to why the trigger-happy boys in Washington will continue to pursue a “humanitarian war” of attrition and a prolonged campaign of demonization against Assad and his “regime.”

 

 

http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-sarin-and-casus-belli/5352202

 

Weapons inspectors got in and out of Syria ok too, the report will be ready around the end of this month, apparently.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

I really shouldn't have engaged you at all; I should know better than to argue with you. That's a total mistake on my part. God knows, I've seen you do this shit before - only to proclaim yourself as some sort of 'blood splattering' victor - but I thought I had learned my lesson. I thought I was doing quite well, given the amount of insults you threw my way. I ignored them, and you, and I really should give myself a kicking for falling into the trap. It won't happen again, at least not after this post. I'm not used to debating with people like you very often; it's absolutely futile because you either won't or can't see reason. I've got to say, I've been very impressed with RP in this thread. Despite making several slip-ups, he has the ability to see reason and the honesty to hold his hands up when he’s wrong. He has the humility to want to improve his own knowledge, as well as to learn and research for himself. You, unfortunately, are just links and repetition; riding on the back of other people's articles without ever really understanding them.

 

I think much of your problem stems from your lack of reading and writing skills, and specifically your lack of basic comprehension. You seem to read the words, but attribute your own meaning to them. I suspect that's why you don't often debate, but chose to copy and paste articles from around the web. I think it's why you repeatedly post claims about things I've said - or not said - that are totally false. You've done it many times in this thread, without being picked up. Not just mistakes, but the opposite of what's been said. For example, when you said that I'd convinced myself that 'bombing a huge chemical weapons stockpile will not affect civilians in the surrounding areas and its ok to do'. That's pure fantasy, and it's down to you not being able to read and take in what I said; which, buy the way, was that I didn't think they'd target the chemical weapons themselves. Another example, you saying I was 'banging [my] fist for U.S bombs', but what I said is that I'm against US intervention. You seem so riled by self-righteous indignation, that you've not noticed that I don't support a US invasion, but less bang my fist for US bombs. Another example, you said you 'couldnt beleive [you were] reading [me] outlining [my] 'credentials' earlier in this thread', but what I actually said was that I wouldn't list my credentials as they weren't relevant. What I say, and then what you hear, are often two entirely different things. Take a breath, read it twice, think about it... then reply. Or don't.

 

Where?

Anyway, onto your criticisms of what I said. Rather, your total misunderstanding about what I said. You keep banging on about the one sentence you plucked out of one of my many posts on this subject. You keep asking me to provide evidence - which is classified - but you're totally misreading what I've actually said. Again. I didn't say I had evidence, I said the US and France have evidence. Which is quite obviously true. Every congressperson who has seen it has said the evidence exists, even the ones who question if it makes a good case or not. Anti-Iraq war senators have spoken about the evidence; right-wing anti-Obama, anti-Syria war congresspersons have spoken about there being evidence. The next sentence is more important, my statement was questioning whether that evidence is valid and reliable, or just fabricated. That's called questioning the veracity of the evidence. It's not claiming I've got evidence of anything, so repeatedly asking me for something I never claimed to have is a but stupid on your part. If you still can't get it, there's not much more I can do to help you understand it.

 

Who?

Fuck me, are you now even denying that the Syrian regime have killed ‘many people’? That’d be ridiculous, even for you. Right, I guess I’ll spend some time linking you to unbiased and reputable sources saying they’ve killed ‘many people’. Actually, I’ll go even further than that, I’ll link you to sources saying they’ve not just killed ‘many people’, but targeted civilians, peaceful protesters, and children. I don’t think even Assad himself would say they’ve not killed ‘many people’, so I’m not going to waste too much time on that. I’d rather show the worst cases of them killing ‘many people’ .

 

EDIT: Just spent some time reading the early (2011/12) Unicef and United Nations, and Human Rights Watch (and others, and others, and others, and plenty more) reports about the torture, rape and murder of children, then watched videos – which are plentiful on youtube and liveleak, etc - of peaceful protesters being shot by tanks, kids being killed, unarmed women being shot dead in the street, and much worse, and read about entire villages being levels with everybody killed, hospitals targeted and used as places in which to torture people, and all of a sudden this back and forth seems much less important to me. I feel physically sick after seeing these things happen, and have done for two years. You’re welcome to deny they happened, or that I’m a fraud for saying it happened. I’ve just stopped giving a fuck. I'll slam you on ignore, have fun running around after me for the next couple of days, posting barely legible posts about how stupid I am.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Weapons inspectors got in and out of Syria ok too, the report will be ready around the end of this month, apparently.

I'm looking forward to seeing that. It'll take some digging, just to make sense of the results of this one I'd imagine. There's the issue of time on this one. It seems a long time to get reliable witness statements and samples, as sarin and other nerve agents, break down quite quickly in the system. I wish they'd gone in there sooner, but there has apparently been quite a lot of difficulty getting in.

 

If opposition forces - of whichever name - have used some sort of chemical weapon, I'd say it would be not only on a small scale, but also of shit quality. I'm not 100% sure, but I'd guess that shit quality sarin degrades more quickly, if only because it's less pure to begin with. Either way, some things that some of the rebels do are, in my opinion, fucking horrific. Whatever the findings, they get their fair share of condemnation from me.

[polymerpunkah]

Ironic, and more than a bit disheartening, that the issue (chemical weapons and the broader civil war) has lasted longer on this thread than it has in the real world.

 

Obama thumped his chest, his supporters joined in, in rhythm, his opposition hooted the counter-point, and the whole thing quickly faded into the background noise.

 

The killing, by whatever method, goes on. And after all the posturing, no one does a damn thing about it.

[dennis tooth]

Disappointing NN, after a long wait, most what I wrote isnt even remotely attempted, you've handpicked, you clearly left out your own claims having just hashed together earlier comments, made a lot of longwinded misrepresentations and then put me on ignore, we can see below your statement of fact the one you didnt address at all,

 "Syria are using chemical weapons on their own civilian population.".

 

That was before you read or didnt read classified documents since they didnt exist yet but there you are, this is the second time Ive posted the quote and the 2nd time it will be ignored.

 

Why wait for the UN report, you have already declared the above, they can all go home now cant they?

You have still failed to provide any scenario whereby bombs will solve the situation but lets just deal with your information gathering and odd statements first of all