paul ince

[JermainePennant]

A thing that has always confused me is lfcs fans dislike of ince.

 

I started to really get into lfc and football around the summer he signed and i loved the guy.He was a proper captain and i think he helped players like MO come through.

 

It always sticks in my mind how he took one of his best mates Ian Wright out of the world cup in that meaningless game against arsenal at anfield when they won they league and Wenger put out his reserves, the guy was a winner and gave 100% every match.

 

Then there is his goal against the mancs where he showed no loyalty with his celebration and he has always spoke well about lfc.

 

The only negative i know from him being here is being pissed because he was being sold,a player wanting to stay here is not a negative for me.

 

Anyone shed any light on why he is disliked?

[Lee909]

He was a massive cunt.

Added to that he acted the twat when we tried to get Tom to sign a new contract. Houllier saw through his shite and limping off in the dying minutes of a cup game against the mancs.

A wannabe hard man who got replaced by a superb player.

 

 

To put in in shorter terms he was a massive cunt

[JermainePennant]

I don't believe for a minute ince would fein injury to come off against the mancs, and as for his son hes looking out for his interests so I dint have problem with that.

 

As for his attitude and team mates not liking him i don't buy it unless they were to pussy to let him know when he was here.

 

I watched the season reviews for inces time here many times as I was just gettin in to football and was addicted and if u were to judge by body language they loved him.

 

When he or others scored they would always run to once especially MO who seemed to idolise him back then, remember the rubbing hands celebration?

 

I know he wasn't a massive success on pitch for us but he gave 100% every game and i think he is due a bit more respect from lfc fans.

[Trucker Paddy]

"Proper captain" were you 5 years old then? Awful captain and a total cunt, he defo gained injury v united in old Trafford 1999 cup game

[Aldonose]

A thing that has always confused me is lfcs fans dislike of ince.

 

I started to really get into lfc and football around the summer he signed and i loved the guy.He was a proper captain and i think he helped players like MO come through.

It always sticks in my mind how he took one of his best mates Ian Wright out of the world cup in that meaningless game against arsenal at anfield when they won they league and Wenger put out his reserves, the guy was a winner and gave 100% every match.

 

Then there is his goal against the mancs where he showed no loyalty with his celebration and he has always spoke well about lfc.

 

The only negative i know from him being here is being pissed because he was being sold,a player wanting to stay here is not a negative for me.

 

Anyone shed any light on why he is disliked?

 

I read an autobiography a while back of an ex Liverpool player (can't remember who) and they talk about an occasion when he came off injured at Old Trafford with the game in the balance that we eventually lost. Houllier tore a strip off him, telling him that any captain of his should've needed carrying off that pitch. I agree. I think he's not only a cunt, but a massive shit house as well.

[Hand Shandy]

He's a massive, massive cunt.

[lifetime fan]

He'd hide for 80 minutes doing fuck all strolling around like a peacock and would then put in a few tackles at the end of a game.

 

He was a cunt.

[Jairzinho]

Whose second account is JermainePennant?

[Hand Shandy]

Next up - why Neil Ruddock and Julian Dicks should go down as Liverpool legends, by J Pennant.

[Lee909]

He was all about Paul Ince and his own image as the Guvnor. Typical English captain,just shouting at everyone. Hyypia was a proper captain and as much as I love Gerrard he should never been stripped of the captaincy IMO.

 

From a Houllier interview

 

 

It concerned Paul Ince, then the club's influential skipper and someone the Frenchman did not see as a particularly positive influence in the dressing room.

Liverpool had travelled to Old Trafford for an FA Cup tie and, having not won such an encounter in '67 years', they found themselves a goal up with 20 minutes to go courtesy of a young Michael Owen.

Until, that is, their captain and midfield enforcer left the field because of an injury. An injury, Houllier noted, that did not stop him playing five-a-side in training two days later. In front of all the players at the training ground, an extraordinary altercation occurred.

In true Sir Alex Ferguson fashion, Houllier not only told Ince what he expected of his captain but informed him that in six months he had won just four of those five-a-side training games.

 

The Guv'nor: Paul Ince was allowed to leave by Houllier

Ince stood there in stunned silence and, as the players walked away, Owen turned to Carragher and said: 'We've got a manager now.'

Houllier is not terribly comfortable talking about the incident but he does explain his position. 'It wasn't something I did very often,' he says.

'But to me a captain only leaves the team on a stretcher; if he needs to go to hospital. He's not limping off. That day I decided I wouldn't keep Ince, and as soon as he left the players like Danny Murphy, Steven Gerrard, Owen and Carra blossomed.

'They were different players. It's important, when you have kids in the team, to have the right people around them.

'A year later I brought in Gary McAllister.'

And he became their Eric Cantona, I suggest.

'Exactly,' he says.

'It is for the same reason that Alex keeps Scholes and Giggs, why I have brought Pires here. And Gary, of course, as assistant manager.

'The players here can learn from Robert. From his brain. From his professionalism on and off the pitch. The fact that he is still able to play at 37 should tell my players something.

'When I told Carra he needed to change, that he needed to stop drinking, I remember what I said to him. If you love the game, and he loves the game, you want to play for as long as you can.

'If you keep drinking you will get to 25, 26 and get injury after injury. He listened and he is still playing today.'

[Guest davelfc]

I never accepted him as a Liverpool player and was happy when he left. Mouthy bastard causing trouble was my impression, once a manc and all that. Football has changed a lot since then, still don't think I'd ever really accept a manc, or at least a high profile manc in the team.

[Guest davelfc]

"I notice a former captain of ours said recently that this squad is so good that we don’t need a manager. I took this as a great compliment. He must have changed his mind since leaving as he said at the time that Phil Thompson and I would drag the club down. On that point I suppose he was right - we dragged the club down to Cardiff three times in the last 10 months." - Gerard Houllier referring to comments made by Paul Ince

[Trumo]

When we were in for him, I thought he was just the sort of player the squad needed. We had a lot of players who were good on the ball but not very good at winning it back. At the time, I was young enough and naive enough to believe in all that 'final piece of the jigsaw' bollocks, and while he was an ex-Manc, I wasn't overly concerned.

 

However, in hindsight, it is clear that Whiskeynose was absolutely right to get shut of him when he did. Ince had let the Guvnor thing get to his head and clearly played like somebody who felt he had nothing to prove, and this is a very disruptive mentality for any club that is trying to build a new team around its younger players. Not only that, but on the pitch he somehow got it into his head that he was an attacking midfielder and left our back line exposed way too often.

 

Ince did occasionally show glimpses of his more positive qualities in a Liverpool shirt, but rather than helping tighten up the team defensively, he was always nowhere to be seen when we were getting overrun in midfield. It says everything when a midfield pairing of Barnes and Redknapp is much more solid than a pairing of Ince and Redknapp. We got rid of Barnes when we could still have used his influence (albeit sporadically) and brought in Ince, and for me it's clear that this decision was really the unravelling of the Evans era.

[Guest San Don]

After a number of poor results, didnt Thommo once bring his medals in and lay them on a table and say to the players 'this is what playing for Liverpool is all about'?

 

Ince is reputed to have said 'Nah' and got a load of cash out and waved it around continuing 'this is what playing for Liverpool is all about.'

 

Massive twat. I thought he'd be a good signing. Im happy to admit I was totally wrong.

[Total Longo]

He was the infamous "Anfield Mole" as well.

[JermainePennant]

As i said i was young at time so couldn't judge his performances like I would now but u felt at the time he gave his all for us and he has my respect for that, especially considering he was an ex manc.

 

Didn't Ferguson withdraw his comments about ince, and being cocky/confident id not a bad thing and as i said i think he helped the youngsters coming through at time.

 

I think GH used ince as an easy target to assert his authority, fans wouldn't be upset if he was sold and he had big reputation so houllier used it to his advantage.

[mht1892]

He was a cunt, used to bully younger players as well the meff.

[Total Longo]

I think GH used ince as an easy target to assert his authority, fans wouldn't be upset if he was sold and he had big reputation so houllier used it to his advantage.

 

Well, it worked, while Ince was there we were trophyless and meandering, when GH shipped him out, we started playing as a team and winning things. So, he was pretty justified in his actions.

[JermainePennant]

Whose second account is JermainePennant?

 

Ive said redknapp is a top manager, ibras a top player and asked why a player who came to lfc and gave his all is disliked by most.Its not like i said voronin is better then Rooney or some other classics ive seen on here.

[fowler9]

How do people feel about signing ex-Mancs, would say its generally a no-go area but I wanted Heinze at the time we were in for him, glad we didn't get him now though as he went shit after that and we were linked with Van Nistelrooy when he was leaving Madrid and I wouldn't have minded that either, wouldn't say no to the likes of Pique if he became available to us either!

 

however ones like Ronaldo, Rooney, Ferdinand, Evra etc I'd never have anywhere near the club regardless of ability

[Lee909]

We replaced him with a proper midfielder anyway

 

[milky]

Stinks of fucking Manc in here, and I'm not just talking about the former player being discussed.

[Lee909]

"I notice a former captain of ours said recently that this squad is so good that we don't need a manager. I took this as a great compliment. He must have changed his mind since leaving as he said at the time that Phil Thompson and I would drag the club down. On that point I suppose he was right - we dragged the club down to Cardiff three times in the last 10 months." - Gerard Houllier referring to comments made by Paul Ince

 

I loved that quote

[JermainePennant]

How do people feel about signing ex-Mancs, would say its generally a no-go area but I wanted Heinze at the time we were in for him, glad we didn't get him now though as he went shit after that and we were linked with Van Nistelrooy when he was leaving Madrid and I wouldn't have minded that either, wouldn't say no to the likes of Pique if he became available to us either!

 

however ones like Ronaldo, Rooney, Ferdinand, Evra etc I'd never have anywhere near the club regardless of ability

 

First let me say i want Rodgers to stay and am very happy with him.

 

I was thinking around the time he said he was interested in job that Roy Keane would be a successful manager for us and how sweet would it be to have the mancs greatest ever captain bring prem back to lfc.

 

I know he hasn't been massive managerial success but i think he is more suited to a top club.

 

We all know ge can motivate top players and he knows what's required to be a player good enough for prem challenging side.

 

Can you imagine roys reaction if we had a nil nil against small team? Players would respect him and he wouldn't tolerate them underperforming.

 

Will never happen but if it did i think hed be a success.

[Lee909]

Oh Jesus Christ