Scottish Independence, yay or nay?

[Sugar Ape]

Heard that he described supporters of the yes campaign as "SNP nazis" which is a bit different, more believable but still a bloody stupid thing to say

 

You'd have to see the footage, if it exists. I wouldn't condemn him unless I saw exactly what he said and the context. If he has said it then I'm sure it'll get out somehow.

[Mook]

I wouldn't mind hearing that, mate. Him actually saying that date rape is just bad sexual etiquette.

 

He actually said that raping a woman you've already had sex with while she's sleeping is 'bad sexual etiquette'....

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19323783

[PestiRed]

You'd have to see the footage, if it exists. I wouldn't condemn him unless I saw exactly what he said and the context. If he has said it then I'm sure it'll get out somehow.

Yeah, my guess is that he probably did say SNP nazi which is more like calling someone a food nazi rather than an actual Nazi.

 

Having said that, he does have form for mentioning that the SNP did not support Britain in WW2, that a number of them had to be interned during the war and that some of them collaborated apparently

 

@completenonsen1 the SNP elected the NAZI collaborator Arthur Donaldson as their LEADER from 1960-1969!!!

6:03pm - 30 Jun 14

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Here you go...

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19323783

You're going to have to show me, mate; I can't see where he said date rape is bad sexual etiquette. I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the box - I've had that explained explicitly to me by a couple of posters on this forum over the years - but I can read. At least I think I can read.

[Babb'sBurstNad]

Thought Galloway was quite poor yesterday. He looked like he'd had to stay up to do the debate and resented it. It wasn't him at his most cutting, it was more like a late night pub rant at times.

 

Plus, his staccato speech pattern when he gets animated is becoming more and more like William Shatner.

 

Overall I thought it wasn't a bad debate, considering they were addressing kids.

[Mook]

You're going to have to show me, mate; I can't see where he said date rape is bad sexual etiquette. I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the box - I've had that explained explicitly to me by a couple of posters on this forum over the years - but I can read. At least I think I can read.

 

I've edited my post, my fault for not reading the article properly first.

[Paisley Red]

He actually said that raping a woman you've already had sex with while she's sleeping is 'bad sexual etiquette'....

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19323783

An absolute tit of a man. Surely Better Together could put forward a Labour MP to make their case rather than a guy who was expelled from their party. Embarrassing seeing him on the side of the Tories and bankers.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

He actually said that raping a woman you've already had sex with while she's sleeping is 'bad sexual etiquette'....

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-19323783

No, he didn't say that either.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

An absolute tit of a man. Surely Better Together could put forward a Labour MP to make their case rather than a guy who was expelled from their party. Embarrassing seeing him on the side of the Tories and bankers.

Oh, you're back. Any chance of either showing me where he said date rape was bad sexual etiquette or retracting the claim as false?

[PestiRed]

To be fair, rape is bad sexual etiquette, in the same way as murder demonstrates poor social manners

[Mook]

No, he didn't say that either.

 

Well as far as I'm concerned fucking a woman who is sleeping is raping them & he said that doing that is 'bad sexual etiquette'.

[Mook]

Just to clarify, here is what George Galloway said...

 

On the issue of whether this would constitute rape or not, Mr Galloway suggested that "not everybody needs to be asked prior to each insertion".

"Some people believe that when you go to bed with somebody, take off your clothes, and have sex with them and then fall asleep, you're already in the sex game with them.

"It might be really bad manners not to have tapped her on the shoulder and said, 'do you mind if I do it again?'

"It might be really sordid and bad sexual etiquette, but whatever else it is, it is not rape or you bankrupt the term rape of all meaning."

[Paisley Red]

Oh, you're back. Any chance of either showing me where he said date rape was bad sexual etiquette or retracting the claim as false?

'Date rape' was the wrong term to use - retracted. I agree wholeheartedly with Rape Crisis' view on what he did say.

[Jairzinho]

[Dr Nowt]

So just to get this straight once and for all, George Galloway said that providing you tap someone on the shoulder you can rape them while listening to Bad Manners?

[Dr Nowt]

No wonder he's endorsing the NO campaign, the sadistic bastard.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

'Date rape' was the wrong term to use - retracted.

It was the wrong term because he didn't use it or say anything like it. If we're going to slam a guy for what he says, it's best to actually do it for what he did say. Anybody who says date rape is just bad sexual etiquette is truly fucking disgusting. Thing is, that's a totally false thing to claim he said, so I'm really glad and thankful that you retracted it. It's things like that, read by even more confused people, which can lead to politicians being violently attacked in the street.

 

What he said, for those who can't be fucked to click the link, can be seen here in their entirety, in context, and in the tone in which he said it. He calls Assange all sorts of things and some of the comments I don't agree with, but he doesn't strike me as a rape apologist. What's really being said, and what's really the point of contention, is that if you're having consensual sex with somebody, waking them up with a fucking isn't necessarily rape. Well, I agree it's not necessarily rape but it can be. The first two paragraphs of the Rape Crisis comments are self evident and, whilst Galloway didn't say anything to contradict them, I agree with them. The third was that Galloway described sexual violence as bad manners. You can agree with that all you want, but you'd have to show me where he said that.

 

None of us, including you, can know what went on in that room. If they had sex the night before and he got all horny and wanted to wake her up with a bone of his own, then she woke up and said yeah, fuck me, span him over and rode him like a horse. I personally don't think that's rape. I think it takes trust between two people to know what the other wants, and that he couldn't possibly have known because he hadn't known her long enough, but I wouldn't constitute that as a rape. However, if he'd woke her up, she indicated that she didn't want it but he pinned her down and fucked her, then that's quite clearly rape. There is a grey area in between - assuming any of this is true, BTW - in which it's certainly on dodgy ground. Either way, I don't think Galloway is dismissing rape, date rape, or sexual violence as bad etiquette.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

As somebody who has been woken up with a blow job, have I been raped? Of course not.

 

 

 

 

I just politely asked my Dad to stop, and he did. Almost right away. After bumming me.

 

 

 

 

[Paisley Red]

Can't view that YouTube video now but I'll have a look; I've seen often enough recently how the BBC can misrepresent but going by the quotes on the BBC article Mook posted I agree with

Rape Crisis. Either way, I don't like Galloway and I do think Labour should have put someone up for the debate. They don't seem to be thinking much about how they've lost Scotland.

[Fugitive]

So it's true, the SNP are Nazis!!! I knew they could not be trusted, the German cunts.

[stringvest]

In every year bar one this millennium Scotland has been in tax deficit to the UK. Whilst currency negotiations and a settlement are being determined there will be no bundle of cash for Scotland to play with. A settlement will take more like five years, not the 18 months Salmond dreams of. When you are trying to get money off someone else it always takes longer than you think.

 

The Yes vote is for independence, not for Salmond. When the time comes for Scotland to spend Scotland’s money the political climate will shift. Salmond has been promising to beef up the NHS, maintain free tuition fees, lower rates of Corporation Tax, provide free child care, and incentivise business to come to Scotland. All that costs money. The GDP is unlikely to rise in the short term, and one off independence costs will be high, as will be the cost of borrowing money for an unproven regime. The dream is likely to be an austerity programme. Scotland is in spirit socialist, but in practise conservative and pragmatic. It is likely that post- independence, the SNP would face a backlash, not a boost, as reality bites.

 

Scotland cannot afford Trident. But Faslane can’t afford to lose Trident. And a Scotland which had kicked it out is not going to have its NATO application favourably considered, and membership of NATO is vital to keeping Scotland’s defence costs down. It could find itself out of the pound, out of the EU and out of NATO in quick succession. What seemed like a triumph for Salmond could turn into a disaster. Despite Salmond’s bluster, keeping Trident until it ends its working life would be very much in Scotland’s interests.

 

I think the other Nordic countries provide a good indicator of the way things would go. The cost of living would be significantly higher, taxes would be higher, spending will be more socially balanced and a conservative left will hold sway.

 

what about wages and disposable income then?  All demonstrably higher in Nordic countries.  

[Fugitive]

I love that they are using Norway as an example of how well it will go. I bet they didn't mention how much ale is in Norway. Every fucker in Scotland would be ticking the no box... The fucking pissheads.

[Mook]

I'm ordering a home brew kit next Thursday morning.

[TheHowieLama]

Norway is boss and 98.37% of them are sound.

[Fugitive]

Norway is boss and 98.37% of them are sound.

Code is part of the 1.63% which means that outweighs the 98.37% and Norway is shit... and sober!!!!