Scottish Independence, yay or nay?

[Stu Monty]

The Scottish Labour party would be able to represent traditional Labour voters.

 

The useless wankers we have down here have been steadily moving to the right for years, they'd either have to offer a clear alternative to the tories, the tory enablers and ukip or face decades out of power.

 

That or the void is filled by the Greens who could actually represent the left in this country.

Why would they? Who are they offering this clear alternative to? Tory voters?

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

Agree with Stu. Actually, I could see a shift to the right, then the 'we're doing it for our own financial stability' stuff comes in. Then, 20 years go by and you're in the same situation as the UK.

[stringvest]

Agree with Stu. Actually, I could see a shift to the right, then the 'we're doing it for our own financial stability' stuff comes in. Then, 20 years go by and you're in the same situation as the UK.

You're not though. This time, you would only have yourself to blame.

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

You're not though. This time, you would only have yourself to blame.

Well, I'm not sure that'd be much of a consultation.

[Paisley Red]

Galloway raging at being called out on his "bad sexual etiquette" views and also accuses the BBC of inviting a biased 12,000 strong audience (when in fact they simply invited every school in Scotland).

 

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/george-galloway-slams-patrick-harvie-

4206494

 

In reality the real bias shown by the

BBC was asking kids to pretend to be No voters

for post-debate interviews when they were

actually Yes.

 

http://perthgazette.co.uk/09/11/indyref/biased-bbc-yes-voters-were-told-to-say-no-to-independence-by-producers-during-a-debate-show/5796

 

Nigel Farage doing his bit for the Yes campaign today by visiting Glasgow. Would be better all round if everyone just ignored him but I'm sure plenty of people will turn up to give him pelters.

[Sugar Ape]

Galloway raging at being called out on his "bad sexual etiquette" views and also accuses the BBC of inviting a biased 12,000 strong audience (when in fact they simply invited every school in Scotland).

 

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/george-galloway-slams-patrick-harvie-4206494

 

In reality the real bias shown by the

BBC was asking kids to pretend to be No voters

for post-debate interviews when they were

actually Yes.

 

Nigel Farage doing his bit for the Yes campaign today by visiting Glasgow. Would be better all round if everyone just ignored him but I'm sure plenty of people will turn up to give him pelters.

 

Link?

[Paisley Red]

There's a link above but I've not seen it in a mainstream national paper yet ... only one newspaper in Britain is supporting independence, the Sunday Herald. Lots of kids who were at the debate on Twitter saying the same thing; I believe them. If you don't, fair enough.

[Champ]

Fuck me this is shite.

 

Ah, you had this later than us? I was surprised to see there had been no response on here after it had finished (22.00) 

 

Haha, yes. Part of the problem is the young audience. Unfortunately most children are fucking stupid.

 

All of the problem is that children are children. And for all of them this will be the first vote the have ever exercised; arguably the biggest decision in this country's history, with absolutely no life experience of their own to inform that vote  

 

I'm all for allowing 16 year olds to vote. They're not doing a decent job of backing me up here though.

We may have had this conversation before and, yes, I have some sympathy with the idea of working 16 and 17 year olds having a vote but these school kids?

[Bjornebye]

When it's all done and dusted and nothing's changed shouldn't salmond etc be done for treason? String the bastard up

[Jairzinho]

 

 

All of the problem is that children are children. And for all of them this will be the first vote the have ever exercised; arguably the biggest decision in this country's history, with absolutely no life experience of their own to inform that vote  

 

 

 

Aye, that's what I meant really.

 

The whole program was really poor, I thought. The host was appalling, which didn't help.

[Champ]

Aye, that's what I meant really.

 

The whole program was really poor, I thought. The host was appalling, which didn't help.

 

James Cook,  one of the senior correspondents on Reporting Scotland (the BBC's regional news programme)

[Mook]

Aye, that's what I meant really.

 

The whole program was really poor, I thought. The host was appalling, which didn't help.

 

I think there was one decent question all night, the lad who asked about Devo Max.

[xerxes]

Agree with Stu. Actually, I could see a shift to the right, then the 'we're doing it for our own financial stability' stuff comes in. Then, 20 years go by and you're in the same situation as the UK.

In every year bar one this millennium Scotland has been in tax deficit to the UK. Whilst currency negotiations and a settlement are being determined there will be no bundle of cash for Scotland to play with. A settlement will take more like five years, not the 18 months Salmond dreams of. When you are trying to get money off someone else it always takes longer than you think.

 

The Yes vote is for independence, not for Salmond. When the time comes for Scotland to spend Scotland’s money the political climate will shift. Salmond has been promising to beef up the NHS, maintain free tuition fees, lower rates of Corporation Tax, provide free child care, and incentivise business to come to Scotland. All that costs money. The GDP is unlikely to rise in the short term, and one off independence costs will be high, as will be the cost of borrowing money for an unproven regime. The dream is likely to be an austerity programme. Scotland is in spirit socialist, but in practise conservative and pragmatic. It is likely that post- independence, the SNP would face a backlash, not a boost, as reality bites.

 

Scotland cannot afford Trident. But Faslane can’t afford to lose Trident. And a Scotland which had kicked it out is not going to have its NATO application favourably considered, and membership of NATO is vital to keeping Scotland’s defence costs down. It could find itself out of the pound, out of the EU and out of NATO in quick succession. What seemed like a triumph for Salmond could turn into a disaster. Despite Salmond’s bluster, keeping Trident until it ends its working life would be very much in Scotland’s interests.

 

I think the other Nordic countries provide a good indicator of the way things would go. The cost of living would be significantly higher, taxes would be higher, spending will be more socially balanced and a conservative left will hold sway.

[Sugar Ape]

There's a link above but I've not seen it in a mainstream national paper yet ... only one newspaper in Britain is supporting independence, the Sunday Herald. Lots of kids who were at the debate on Twitter saying the same thing; I believe them. If you don't, fair enough.

 

I can't see anything in the article, do you mean in the comments section underneath it? I can't take anything as fact because some people are saying it on Twitter. I saw people saying exactly the same about no voters being told to say they were yes and I think that's bullshit as well.

 

I haven't had a chance to watch the debate last night, but I've seen all over Twitter - from hundreds of people - that Galloway compared YES voters to Nazis. Is that true? Because to be frank I think it'd be foolish to believe something simply because people on Twitter say so. That isn't to say it never happened, just that the standard required for believing something like this should be higher.

[Mook]

I can't see anything in the article, do you mean in the comments section underneath it? I can't take anything as fact because some people are saying it on Twitter. I saw people saying exactly the same about no voters being told to say they were yes and I think that's bullshit as well.

 

I haven't had a chance to watch the debate last night, but I've seen all over Twitter - from hundreds of people - that Galloway compared YES voters to Nazis. Is that true? Because to be frank I think it'd be foolish to believe something simply because people on Twitter say so. That isn't to say it never happened, just that the standard required for believing something like this should be higher.

 

I watched it & can't say I heard Galloway compare Yes voters to Nazis.

[Sugar Ape]

I watched it & can't say I heard Galloway compare Yes voters to Nazis.

 

Thanks. That is definitely what a shit load of people were saying on Twitter yesterday.

[Champ]

I watched it & can't say I heard Galloway compare Yes voters to Nazis.

 

Each member of the panel was asked to provide a brief statement to sum up their vews and he argued that as a combined state Britain had stood together during World War 2 to defeat the Nazis and had we not done that the debate, if it were happening,  would be taking place in German. 

 

It wasnt the most convincing articulation of the reasons to vote No next Thursday.

 

And the hat? Was that meant to be yoof?

[Paisley Red]

 

Thanks. That is definitely what a shit load of people were saying on Twitter yesterday.[/quote

 

People who were there say the BBC edited it out; he thinks 50% of Scots are Nazis.

 

Here is that link again:

 

http://perthgazette.co.uk/09/11/indyref/biased-bbc-yes-voters-were-told-to-say-no-to-independence-by-producers-during-a-debate-show/5796

[Mook]

I watched the BBC news last night & someone in crowd asked Salmond a question then it cut to the reporter saying, "He didn't answer.".

 

Saw elsewhere on the internet last night the same question & Salmond actually gave a seven minute answer to the boy.

 

Whatever way you lean in the debate - that is absolutely fucking disgraceful stuff from the BBC.

[Sugar Ape]

 

Thanks. That is definitely what a shit load of people were saying on Twitter yesterday.[/quote

 

People who were there say the BBC edited it out; he thinks 50% of Scots are Nazis.

 

Here is that link again:

 

http://perthgazette.co.uk/09/11/indyref/biased-bbc-yes-voters-were-told-to-say-no-to-independence-by-producers-during-a-debate-show/5796

 

Maybe he did say that, but at the minute it's an unfounded allegation.

[Paisley Red]

Maybe he did say that, but at the minute it's an unfounded allegation.

True. I've heard him saying some outrageous things over the years including his view that date rape is just "bad sexual eitquette". I can't see why loads of teenagers would just make it up bit maybe the misheard him and the BBC edited that bit out anyway.

 

There were 100 Labour MPs in Glasgow yesterday; they refused to put one forward for that debate and got Galloway to represent them instead. No wonder Scottish Labour voters are turning away from them in their thousands.

[Sugar Ape]

They've took a gamble with Galloway. He could have gone in and owned everyone in there or looked like a lunatic. Sounds like he did neither and was a bit of a disappointment.

[PestiRed]

Heard that he described supporters of the yes campaign as "SNP nazis" which is a bit different, more believable but still a bloody stupid thing to say

[Guest Numero Veinticinco]

his view that date rape is just "bad sexual eitquette".

I wouldn't mind hearing that, mate. Him actually saying that date rape is just bad sexual etiquette.

[Jairzinho]

They've took a gamble with Galloway. He could have gone in and owned everyone in there or looked like a lunatic. Sounds like he did neither and was a bit of a disappointment.

 

He looked like he couldn't be arsed.