Does Rodgers deserve another season.

[Major Tom]

She'd be a freak.

 

I think the point is highlighting fine margins.

[Tony Moanero]

We made it top of one table, wrong one like.

 

Disgraceful. Fuck off, football.

[Boss]

We made it top of one table, wrong one like.

 

 

That deserves to be in the shitness of modern football thread.

[Jairzinho]

Inflation since 1989 - 140%

Our ticket price inflation since 1989 - 1025%

[Gym Beglin]

Twitter must kill him.

I think you'll find it's stairs that cause him the most distress.

[ritchie]

If we had a striker that scored 30 goals this season we'd be flying, miles ahead of Spurs.

If we'd just got Sanchez we'd be right up there.

 

Spurs are shite though. Pochettino effectively spent fuck all in the summer on a team we were 20 odd points better than last year, which forced him to play Kane in the first place, as well as the likes of Mason and Bentaleb.

 

The Premier League has been woeful this season from 4th down. City have regressed almost as much as we have from last season but will get their top 4 place. United have been woeful but will do enough for top 4. Chelsea have been consistent. Arsenal have had their usual good run that always get them top 4. Rest of the league is not good.

 

If both our games with Spurs had been draws they'd be above us. If both our games against the Mancs had been draws we'd be above them. That's ultimately what's cost us top 4 - those two defeats.

[Russ Atmosphere]

Inflation since 1989 - 140%

Our ticket price inflation since 1989 - 1025%

Our style is to underpromise and overdelivercharge.

[Dr. J]

Relative to inflation, we're well above par.

[dennis tooth]

If I'd invested a shitload of time on one particular topic and written books on it, which stand up to scrutiny, then I reckon I'd probably be putting that forward as helping the credibility of my argument. 

 

The facts should be enough like, but as many of the responses he gets to his articles show, they aren't. People either don't understand it or refuse to try.

Well for one none of the people he is addressing who disagree with him are going to sit and read that. Not sure who his audience is supposed to be, people who agree with him are the only ones will be arsed to read it, he will probably conclude that he hasnt written enough words and needs to double his output because that will work.

[dennis tooth]

This is where Tomkins model breaks down. On a macro level of explanation for league position it has to ignore the incidents that create the results on which he bases the model. In 180+ minute of football against Hull we scored zero goals and earned 1 point. Apparently the model cannot predict results like that beforehand since, if it could, it would have to assume that we'd clobber them based on the transfer/spending rubric he established as the ultimate predictor of season position.

 

Only we didn't. This would be the 'but shit happens, anyway' cover that he suggests but it doesn't negate the fact that we've had some awful results against relegation threatened teams, which comes down to the man in charge.

Its bollocks, just a very, very long excuse.

 

Liverpool was never the richest club and by his argument we must never have been consistently the best english club since we were never that rich.

 

 

Ive never seen a ten pound note score a goal.

[bouncebrigade]

Relative to inflation, we're well above par.

What is par?

[Grinch]

If we'd spent our budget decently and done relatively well this season but there was four better teams in the league then fair enough talking about par.

 

That's simply not the case tho, Rodgers wasted a fortune last summer (which was clear at the time for anyone without red specs).  We've had an abysmal season on all fronts and no amount of teams with more money will ever change that fact.

[Stu Monty]

If you are looking at one game, or even one individual season to try and prove your point about the lack of the gravitational pull of money in the league then you are failing to get it.

 

Really, you just are. 

 

You have to almost deliberately try to miss the point of a club buying the likes of Moreno, Can and Markovic to take some of the positions people are taking about spending money when outgunned financially.

 

The same people shouting down Sturridge being injured as an excuse made by losers, demanding that you buy one big ticket player instead of promising "gambles", would no doubt be saying the same thing if on the first day of pre-season that basket you have put all of your eggs in snaps it's cruciate - leaving you light of numbers, £35m down and £250k a week in the hole.

[Section_31]

If you are looking at one game, or even one individual season to try and prove your point about the lack of the gravitational pull of money in the league then you are failing to get it.

 

Really, you just are. 

 

You have to almost deliberately try to miss the point of a club buying the likes of Moreno, Can and Markovic to take some of the positions people are taking about spending money when outgunned financially.

 

The same people shouting down Sturridge being injured as an excuse made by losers, demanding that you buy one big ticket player instead of promising "gambles", would no doubt be saying the same thing if on the first day of pre-season that basket you have put all of your eggs in snaps it's cruciate - leaving you light of numbers, £35m down and £250k a week in the hole.

 

We pay big ticket money for gambles though, that's precisely the point Stu. 

 

We take punts on £20 million players, which, if we are really behind in the spending big leagues, is even more stupid. 

[Boss]

We pay big ticket money for gambles though, that's precisely the point Stu. 

 

We take punts on £20 million players, which, if we are really behind in the spending big leagues, is even more stupid. 

 

Spot on, clubs buy world class players for the fees some of our punts cost. 

[xerxes]

If you are looking at one game, or even one individual season to try and prove your point about the lack of the gravitational pull of money in the league then you are failing to get it.

Fair comment.

 

But a team, that by its owners own declaration, needs to outsmart the opposition, has to employ a CEO and manager who can do that. Neither Ayre nor Brendan, who both have qualities, offer that.

[Denny Crane]

Average age of Balotelli, Lambert, Lallanna and Lovren is around 28, for 75 millions.

 

If the plan was to buy Markovic and Can and play them as fullbacks/wingbacks then fair enough but I don't think that was the plan...

[Stu Monty]

We pay big ticket money for gambles though, that's precisely the point Stu. 

 

We take punts on £20 million players, which, if we are really behind in the spending big leagues, is even more stupid. 

 

They aren't punts.

 

They seem very much to be being bought to mitigate the risk of losing money in the market. The scale on which they have to tank if you buy promising European talents of that type for you not to get some sort of decent return from them two or three seasons down the line (when their book value has decreased by 3/4) is a pretty big one. That is weighed against the odds of them holding their value or increasing it by developing into the players we think they will become. 

 

I'm not going to argue with people who think that this season was a wasted opportunity but I'll definitely have the discussion with people who keep trying to make out that we've wasted all the money. We haven't. It's a long term strategy and the money is still there, in the squad, developing.

 

Also, as I keep pointing out, the idea of a "punt" is just simplistic. It means very little. All transfers are punts. Half of the biggest deals in the Premier League turned to shit. 

 

Ironically you're complaining about wasting money and this ownership, more than any we have had, is taking steps to try and reduce that as much as possible.

 

If your point is "stop buying bad football players, just buy the good cheap ones" then I don't really see where to go with that.

[Stu Monty]

Spot on, clubs buy world class players for the fees some of our punts cost. 

 

Clubs that are on a higher level to us in the eyes of players. And pay more wages. And offer a guarantee of Champions League football.

 

They also often lose money on those world class players. Utd can afford for Di Maria and Falcao to tank. We really can't.

 

We've not got a bad record of buying world class at that level on "punts" you know. Punts from Ajax, punts from Sociadad and Athletico, punts from West Ham's reserves.

[JermainePennant]

Spurs didn't back Pochettino, did they? My understanding is that they haven't bought anyone since he took over. They told him to get the most out of what he inherited. They're 3 points behind us.

 

Seems like the space between back or sack.

Your understanding is wrong, they signed Vorm, Dier and the lb from Swansea while also signing a few youngsters for good fees that they loaned out.

 

It was also clear last summer they were trying to get Schneiderlin who would have cost 15m atleast so it wasn't a case of Pochettino getting no money.

[Stu Monty]

Average age of Balotelli, Lambert, Lallanna and Lovren is around 28, for 75 millions.

 

If the plan was to buy Markovic and Can and play them as fullbacks/wingbacks then fair enough but I don't think that was the plan...

 

It's clever to put the one older player signed (in Lambert) in there to push the age up from 25. It's not very clever to then presume people can't do maths and lie about the average age of 27 being 28 because debating on the actual facts is just too hard, so making stuff up helps.

 

Or to say £65m worth of players (probably at least £5m of that as add-ons) cost £75m.

 

Obvious code is obvious.

[Denny Crane]

Relax Dr Tomkins I am not code.

 

But nice bit of deflection I admire your body of work.

[Stu Monty]

Relax Dr Tomkins I am not code.

 

But nice bit of deflection I admire your body of work.

 

Nah, not deflection - just taking apart a bluffer who deliberately posted pure bullshit because he hasn't got the stones to argue on the actual facts.

 

Because making shit up is just easier. 

[cuppatea]

Fair comment.

 

But a team, that by its owners own declaration, needs to outsmart the opposition, has to employ a CEO and manager who can do that. Neither Ayre nor Brendan, who both have qualities, offer that.

 

If we haven't outsmarted the 2 Manchester clubs how have we closed the gap between us from 37 points to single figures in a 3 year period, whilst spending significantly less money than they have? How did we finish above Chelsea last season despite having a fraction of their resources?

[Boss]

Clubs that are on a higher level to us in the eyes of players. And pay more wages. And offer a guarantee of Champions League football.

 

They also often lose money on those world class players. Utd can afford for Di Maria and Falcao to tank. We really can't.

 

We've not got a bad record of buying world class at that level on "punts" you know. Punts from Ajax, punts from Sociadad and Athletico, punts from West Ham's reserves.

 

Suarez was not a punt he'd played the same amount of games for Ajax as he did during his time here and scored even more goals. Torres was not a punt either, he was pure class and was one of the best strikers in La Liga around the time we signed him.

 

I suppose you could say Alonso was a punt but he'd had 5 full seasons of experience in La Liga before he arrived. Masch was an Argentinian international and was loaned for a year before we decided to buy, so it was try before you buy with him and obviously we liked what we saw.

 

Punts are Can, Moreno, Markovic, Origi, Coutinho, Sturridge, Alberto, Illori, Manquillo and Borini. Sometimes they work out sometimes they don't. There's nothing stopping us from signing the likes of Jovetic, Oscar, Shaqiri, Illarramendi, Salah, Coentrao, Montoya or any of the other players that don't make the grade at the mega rich clubs or the clubs with the most prestige.