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The main reason why this lack of spending is a load of bollocks is because it’s so fucking obvious that 2 or 3 really good players could have us really challenging.

One top notch left footed attacker would leave us with Sturridge, Suarez, Coutinho and the new guy up front. Pretty shit hot if you got the right player. Certainly I think you could put that up against Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs and be holding our own. Man City I think have better options.

 

You wouldn’t even want to play them in every game either, being able to sub an extra midfielder in (Hendo) for a bit more solidity. Then we’d have a relatively unproven bench with Aspas, Borini, Alberto and the kids in Sterling and Ibe, but at least there’s a bit of skill and pace there.

 

It’s bloody obvious we need a good solid centre back, and if money is left over some competition to Lucas.

 

30 million quid should do the job fairly nicely for those 2 positions, and we’ve banked some profit to go towards that. We shouldn’t be pissing about pulling the rug on the manager when a couple of good signings would make a tasty difference.

 

As we've seen this season even from teams that are better placed than ours, signing players isn't easy.

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I think you're making things up, then using your made-up things to prematurely overreact.

 

Sure i`m moaning. But its not like its completly taken out of the air is it?

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As we've seen this season even from teams that are better placed than ours, signing players isn't easy.

 

Not when you don't have (the will to spend) any money, it isn't.

 

Or, in the case of United and Arsenal, not when you're trying to improve title-winning and Champions league squads (i.e., significantly better squads than we have) on a budget that wasn't sanctioned by an oligarch or a regional government.

 

Meanwhile, in the world of meaningful if realistic ambition, Southampton have signed Osvaldo, Wanyama, and Lovren.

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Sure i`m moaning. But its not like its completly taken out of the air is it?

 

Well, if you're taking rumours and running with them, why not include links for Sakho and Yarmolenko? Why just go with the players you don't want? We're not going to know until it happens. For me, it could go either way. If we end up with Given and Moses on loan, rather than Sakho and Yarmolenko, then everybody will have reason to be pissed off. If not, all this grandstanding by lots of people on here will have been for nothing.

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Not when you don't have (the will to spend) any money, it isn't.

 

Or, in the case of United and Arsenal, not when you're trying to improve title-winning and Champions league squads (i.e., significantly better squads than we have) on a budget that wasn't sanctioned by an oligarch or a regional government.

 

Meanwhile, in the world of meaningful if realistic ambition, Southampton have signed Osvaldo, Wanyama, and Lovren.

 

None of those players would improve us. They would just pad out the squad.

 

Truth is we need top quality players to get us challenging for top 4/even a title push.

 

Problem is we don't have an attractive package to entice them.

 

Even if the owners wanted to spend £30m on a player it would be hard to attract the right one. Look at Willian, even if we had offered the same money and wages as Chelsea he still would have go e to them.

 

Hard for us to be competitive without taking chances on signings like Coutinho, Sturridge, Toure etc

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Meanwhile, in the world of meaningful if realistic ambition, Southampton have signed Osvaldo, Wanyama, and Lovren.

 

Lovren is massively over-rated on here. I have a Croatian mate who cringes every time that guy turns out for Croatia. I think he started off well for Lyon but it's been downhill from there; Osvaldo isn't better than what we have and Wanyama is very much an unknown quantity.

 

Is it simply about signing players? I mean, these players have to actually improve us and none of those players you mentioned would. In my opinion, obviously.

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None of those players would improve us. They would just pad out the squad.

 

I'd happily have our squad padded out in central defence, central midfield, and in attack.

 

Especially in central midfield, where I think we're woefully lightweight.

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Well, if you're taking rumours and running with them, why not include links for Sakho and Yarmolenko? Why just go with the players you don't want? We're not going to know until it happens. For me, it could go either way. If we end up with Given and Moses on loan, rather than Sakho and Yarmolenko, then everybody will have reason to be pissed off. If not, all this grandstanding by lots of people on here will have been for nothing.

 

I`m overall quite satisfied with FSG. But it seems to me (not fact, just my opinion) that Rodgers is not getting full backing in this transfer market. Last summer was a fuckup, and IMO FSG must prove they are backing him, not the other way around.

I would love to be proved wrong and hope that we can put things together, but I think it should be OK to discuss the worst case scenario without you jumping on my back.

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Lovren is massively over-rated on here. I have a Croatian mate who cringes every time that guy turns out for Croatia. I think he started off well for Lyon but it's been downhill from there; Osvaldo isn't better than what we have and Wanyama is very much an unknown quantity.

 

Is it simply about signing players? I mean, these players have to actually improve us and none of those players you mentioned would. In my opinion, obviously.

 

Osvaldo not better than Borini or Aspas?

 

Wanyama not better than our non-existent physically imposing midfielder?

 

In any case, I wasn't arguing about those players per se. I was arguing about ambition, about spending the money to improve your team.

 

Our team isn't at the level of United's or Arsenal's. It shouldn't be as difficult to improve.

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Whilst it is difficult to sign the right players they are out there. We might not be able to sign the best but there are stacks of players out there who would improve us given the chance.

 

Players at big clubs who are being held back by expensive signings (eg Sakho) or a bit unproven (eg Muriel) or maybe not just fancied (eg Coutinho). These are the players we need to be signing.

 

Proven top class players will either have too high wage demands or better offers.

 

I think we have done a good job of clearing the squad of dross, the last thing we need to do is panic and refill the gaps with expensive players who wont improve us.

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Whilst it is difficult to sign the right players they are out there. We might not be able to sign the best but there are stacks of players out there who would improve us given the chance.

 

Players at big clubs who are being held back by expensive signings (eg Sakho) or a bit unproven (eg Muriel) or maybe not just fancied (eg Coutinho). These are the players we need to be signing.

 

Proven top class players will either have too high wage demands or better offers.

 

I think we have done a good job of clearing the squad of dross, the last thing we need to do is panic and refill the gaps with expensive players who wont improve us.

 

Excellent post. I totally agree with this. Save the money until january if we can't get the players we want now. This is what we should have done with the Torres money, rather than throwing them away in panic on Carroll.

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The vast majority of supporters I've spoken to are fair minded enough to recognise it was always going to be a difficult summer with regards to securing players who would make a big impact on our first XI. I don't think anyone expected miracles and without Champions League it was always going to be difficult.

 

However, where do you draw the line? A total lack of re-inforcements, coupled with the sales made and further slashing of the wage bill, a few days before the window shuts and with the season already in full flow. I think the time for being charitable and giving the club the benefit of the doubt has probably passed. A couple of squad fillers over the coming days doesn't cut it. Up until this point I've given FSG the benefit of the doubt but barring a rabbit being pulled from the hat in the coming days I think it's fair for us to really question their motives as owners of the club. This was the summer they said we'd kick on, instead we've stumbled from one transfer saga to the next, embarrassing ourself in the process and failing to secure anyone of note. I hope for their sake they have something in the pipeline or public opinion will really start to turn against them.

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James Pearce saying Ilori more likely than Sakho. Which would be a shame.

 

Ilori's played 12 first team games according to Wikipedia. So, he won't be improving our team any time soon.

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Ilori's played 12 first team games according to Wikipedia. So, he won't be improving our team any time soon.

 

I guess we just have to wait for it to play out. Le Parisian is saying we've offered 13m Euros and they'll respond today.

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