Someone's having a real laugh - gollum?

[bossy]

 

He got his success through bullying. Referees' date=' journalists, players, agents and opposition managers.

 

His record in in Europe shows his true worth imo, and that record is fucking poor. Two wins twenty five years, and one because terry missed a penalty ( lucky in the other one as well).

 

He was worth ten points a season to the mancs, so it's great he's fucked off, but although a very good manager, he's well over rated.[/quote']

 

Without doubt a cunt but I'm afraid that without a doubt a great manager too.

[Gnasher]

Gutted if they actually get Ozil.

 

Yeah, don't want them getting him.

[Anubis]

[Hand Shandy]

Could he look any more Scottish in that picture?

[Magic Sponge]

 

Growing up, young Davey had to keep the birds away with a shitty stick.

[Gnasher]

Without doubt a cunt but I'm afraid that without a doubt a great manager too.

 

Yeah and bribe bribe bribe, bully bully bully.

 

Referee Mark Halsey facing probe over free tickets for Real Madrid v Manchester United at The Bernabeu | Mail Online

 

I know it's the mail, but still, another ref in the pocket.

[Baltar]

Ferguson is many things but overrated he is not.

[Gnasher]

Ferguson is many things but overrated he is not.

 

Job made easier by refs like this..

 

Spotlight shifts to Mark Halsey after Jonjo Shelvey red card | The Times

[RedinSweden]

Fergie has left moyes with a job on his hands.

 

All the best manc players are over 30. Giggs, ferdinand, van persie, Carrick, evra, vidic. They've got a couple of seasons left in them at most.

 

The younger ones are ordinary, cleaverly, welbeck, jones, zaha. Fergie inherited a side with young players like giggs, neville, scholes ,beckham.

 

Unless moyes does a massive rebuild with his team a decline is imo almost certain, the young players coming through are not anywhere near good enough. Fergurson should shoulder most of the blame, but moyes has spent the first three months like a love sick puppy, licking his arse.

 

There isn't a hope in hell that moyes can lead that side to european final, oh well.

 

Beckham was 11 when Ferguson took over.

[TheDrowningMan]

What happened to the tracksuit clad nodding in the headers manager ?? sitting there in a suit like his shit don't stink, what a silly little cunt, he has fail etched in his DNA, you can't fight it, or try and change it, he was born a loser and that's what he'll always be.

 

He has the blood of a Ranieri coursing through his veins.

[Gnasher]

Beckham was 11 when Ferguson took over.

 

And? He didn't win the league for six years did he? Players like beckham, giggs, neville, butt, scholes, who were already at the club, were a big reason in fergursons success, add giggs and sharpe to the mix and he had a ten year side. All went on to be very good players for them. That idiot wilkinson didn't help by gifting him cantana (probably bribed or bullied).

 

Not many managers are lucky enough to have talent all over the field like that landing on their lap. Plus they were young kids who could be bullied.

 

Ferguson record in europe, with impartial refs, was quite poor.

[Pureblood]

Nice easy home banker for David next followed by a tough little run involving Dortmund, Man City and us. Preshaaaa.

[RedinSweden]

And? He didn't win the league for six years did he? Players like beckham, giggs, neville, butt, scholes, who were already at the club, were a big reason in fergursons success, add giggs and sharpe to the mix and he had a ten year side. All went on to be very good players for them. That idiot wilkinson didn't help by gifting him cantana (probably bribed or bullied).

 

Not many managers are lucky enough to have talent all over the field like that landing on their lap. Plus they were young kids who could be bullied.

 

Ferguson record in europe, with impartial refs, was quite poor.

 

So Ferguson was just lucky? My arse. The fact that he won the title with the shower of shite we saw at Anfield yesterday shows what an incredible manager he is. Moyes could have inherited any of Ferguson's teams and he would never get anywhere near the success Ferguson had. The whisky nosed twat was a hell of a manager. I'm glad he has gone.

[Gnasher]

Nice easy home banker for David next followed by a tough little run involving Dortmund, Man City and us. Preshaaaa.

 

Palace won yesterday, they've got no players on national duty, could spring a surprise, then the shit would really hit the fan. Probably just wishful thinking on my part.

[Ranxerox]

Palace won yesterday, they've got no players on national duty, could spring a surprise, then the shit would really hit the fan. Probably just wishful thinking on my part.

 

Watched that game, Palace are very dangerous on the counter, they seem to have loads of pace, we'll do well to take them serious ourselves when the time comes.

[Anubis]

Today is about Shankly. Fuck Ferguson.

[MLB]

I hope Moyes stays at Utd for many years to come.

[therevivalist]

How thick was that claiming a penalty in his after match press interview yesterday? Daft.

[fowler9]

[Trumo]

Articles highlighting the discontent with how things are shaping up are really beginning to be put out there.

 

Moyes left to pick up pieces after farcical window - ESPN FC

 

Moyes left to pick up pieces after farcical window

 

If Manchester United ever worried that a change of regime may affect their credibility then such fears crashed home to roost as the hour of 11pm on September 2, 2013, arrived.

 

Such is the importance placed on transfers these days that a poor transfer window can shatter credibility. Perception is everything. While United are swathed in ridicule, Arsenal bask in the reflected glory of Mesut Ozil, a player signed in a position where they already had sufficient numbers but who catapults them into the star system. Gunners fans are no longer lamenting the lack of a striker to support Olivier Giroud, or a quality centre-back.

 

Shambles, humiliation and farce are words easily attached to a final day of tomfoolery that did little to answer the legion of critics set up to bury Ed Woodward, the administrative figurehead of the post-Ferguson years. Sir Alex had his transfer reverses in partnership with David Gill, but none as damaging as an evening where the one target landed cost £4 million more than the buy-out clause: Marouane Fellaini could have been a United player for £23.5 million at any point until July 31.

 

Athletic Bilbao's Ander Herrera, who had even agreed to a pay-cut, was left like the proverbial spare part at a wedding as United low-balled the Basque club, having misunderstood or chosen to ignore the Spanish tax system.

 

Even a vague knowledge of the European transfer market would suggest that Athletic never settle for less. Tales of impostors turning up to get the deal done in Spain only added to the pathos. It was later suggested that the three amigos pictured by Spanish newspaper AS were the lawyers who had pushed through Bayern Munich's deal for Javi Martinez last summer. Whatever. Bilbao do not let their players go lightly, and nor do they appreciate any shifting of the goalposts. United were left covering the tracks of a failed transaction that will have caused much amusement in the salons of Europe.

 

For a brief few seconds, the loan of Real Madrid's Fabio Coentrao had seemed to have rescued the remnant of reputation before red tape meant that David Moyes' hunt for a left-back had been denied too. Leighton Baines had long been given up on. Patrice Evra, United's best player in their damp performance at Liverpool, had hardly received a fillip for the season ahead either.

 

The late-night trip to Carrington made by the club's official photographer, John Peters, was not completely wasted but the photo of Moyes and Fellaini captured a portrait of frustration in the manager's face. Fellaini could and should have been at the club months ago. He is not Thiago Alcantara, Cesc Fabregas or Luka Modric, nor is he Samir Khedira, the subject of a reported last-minute bid that was turned down by Real Madrid.

 

A marquee signing to celebrate regime change never happened. United got played by Thiago's people, and feel the same about Cesc's too. In both cases, negotiations got further than was publicly admitted by the players themselves. Modric was never likely to happen, and neither was Khedira at that late stage.

 

Moyes' reputation for dithering was well known at Everton. At a club where every penny counted, it was a perfectly acceptable modus operandi.

 

Little did he realise that the same culture now existed at United. "Isn't it great that the club says: 'There's no budget here -- you go get who you want to get. Just go and do it'?" Moyes said in the early days of his regime. Perhaps Moyes had misunderstood the meaning of the words 'no budget'. United's spending was way down the division's league table, behind Southampton and Cardiff City.

 

Following defeat at Anfield, Moyes enters the first traumas of his short career at United. While Woodward is the target of unbridled rage and lampoonery as a merchant banker totally out of his depth in the football world, Moyes' own reputation has taken a severe hit.

 

He may never be forgiven by fans at Everton. Even if business is business, his comments last week on Baines and Fellaini left some questioning whether he ever had Everton's best interests at heart.

 

"If I had been Everton manager and Sir Alex Ferguson had come asking for Leighton Baines and Marouane Fellaini, I'd have found it very difficult to keep them because I always felt that the right thing was to do what was right for the players," Moyes said. His continuing deference to Ferguson did him few favours in this case.

 

This being football, Everton's howls of outrage were matched by their trying to sign Wigan's James McCarthy in a cut-price deal spread over four years. When that did not work, United were squeezed yet more for the Fellaini money. If Toffees fans do choose to target Moyes on his return to Goodison, they might consider that his new club's eventual largesse funded a rather satisfying transfer window for their own club.

 

For now, until results conspire against him, Moyes will get something of a pass from United's support. The villain will be Woodward. A prolific collector of sponsorship partnerships could close just one transfer deal, and ended up being shaken down for that.

 

Woodward's standing as a Glazer family man -- he joined the club from their investment bank straight after the takeover -- had already hardened many against him. His dealings this summer have not lessened their reputation for making big promises and then trying to deliver them on the cheap. Previously, they had the security blanket of Ferguson's genius to shield them. Moyes, a lesser man, as he rather unfortunately keeps admitting, is unlikely to provide the same service.

 

Backing him properly in cash terms and efficiently in deal-making was the way to give Moyes the best chance of succeeding. Instead, over three long months and one ridiculous late night of farcical failings, United, the club seen as a slick machine for so long, became an overnight laughing stock.

 

The writer does go fairly easy on Moyes, but still neatly points out how much Moyes is hiding behind the standing of his predecessor to position himself as some sort of underdog - his comfort zone that allows him all the ready-made excuses that he hid behind when Everton boss. He can't quite fathom that as manager of the Mancs, he cannot be an underdog. The writer mostly uses the article to have a go at the CEO and his competence (or lack of) for the role. How long before we see Ed Woodward on SSN telling everybody that he is the Robin Van Persie of the business world?

[SCOUSE TAPAS]

And? He didn't win the league for six years did he? Players like beckham, giggs, neville, butt, scholes, who were already at the club, were a big reason in fergursons success, add giggs and sharpe to the mix and he had a ten year side. All went on to be very good players for them. That idiot wilkinson didn't help by gifting him cantana (probably bribed or bullied).

 

Not many managers are lucky enough to have talent all over the field like that landing on their lap. Plus they were young kids who could be bullied.

 

Ferguson record in europe, with impartial refs, was quite poor.

Even to this day I will never understand the reason Leeds sold Cantana to league rivals United.

He was the catalyst behind a young bunch of talented players coming through at United and the main reason for achieving what they did for years to come.

[njackets]

Woodward being absolutely slaughtered on Manc forums, stopping just short of slaughtering Moyes, it's not going to take much to send them over the edge there now, few games into the season you couldn't make it up!!

[magicrat]

Woodward being absolutely slaughtered on Manc forums, stopping just short of slaughtering Moyes, it's not going to take much to send them over the edge there now, few games into the season you couldn't make it up!!

 

Well you could actually . Losing Gill was a massive blow

I will be delighted if Liverpool finish above Utd this season

[The Golden Eel]

I will be delighted if Liverpool finish above Utd this season

 

I'll be gutted

[captainharris]

Well after their next game against palace they have two champions league games (obviously a competition that Moyes has never played in) and the manchester derby as three of their next four games. Fail to get a decent results there and the shit could really start to hit the fan.