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5 hours ago, Moo said:

Haha your last paragraph sounds a tad hysterical.

 

Women aren't legitimate participants in men's football?  So, supporters aren't legitimate participants in football? Okay, well you better explain that to some legendary managers and players we've had including the current.

 

"If a woman is brought in to replace him, and doesn't offer more, what's the fucking point?!"  Representation, have you heard of it? Women are interested in the men's game and contribute to it emotionally and financially, maybe those watching on TV and paying their licence fee, Sky and BT subs enjoy female commentary.

 

What's the point in replacing a shit man with another shit man?  It happens all the time in football commentary and most of us moan about it but it's not because they're men, it's because they're shit.

Yeah, let's get supporters in to become pundits. Brilliant idea, that.

 

How about porn stars who watch football?

 

Let's get them in too.

 

Let's have a Sikh and a Muslim. Maybe a ginger dwarf?

 

You know, for the sake of representation.

 

At least I've learned one thing here:

When someone questions why something different is happening, and the best answer is "why not", it's not a debate worth having.

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1 minute ago, m0e said:

Yeah, let's get supporters in to become pundits. Brilliant idea, that.

 

How about porn stars who watch football

 

Let's get them in too.

 

Let's have a Sikh and a Muslim. Maybe a ginger dwarf?

 

You know, for the sake of representation.

 

At least I've learned one thing here:

When someone questions why something different is happening, and the best answer is "why not", it's not a debate worth having.

Fake Tika-Taxi 

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1 hour ago, m0e said:

Yeah, let's get supporters in to become pundits. Brilliant idea, that.

 

How about porn stars who watch football?

 

Let's get them in too.

 

Let's have a Sikh and a Muslim. Maybe a ginger dwarf?

 

You know, for the sake of representation.

 

At least I've learned one thing here:

When someone questions why something different is happening, and the best answer is "why not", it's not a debate worth having.

That's clearly not what I said, and your own reasoning is both ignorant and utter shite.

So will just agree to disagree.

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9 minutes ago, Moo said:

That's clearly not what I said, and your own reasoning is both ignorant and utter shite.

So will just agree to disagree.

The problem is, you're not saying anything for me to disagree with.

 

Why not? Representation! Ignorance!!

 

It's just clichéd noise. Hopefully it helps you have a better life, so I wish you well.

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Although Jenas offered significantly less insight that Hayes yesterday, he was massively better because he didn’t speak all the way though it.

 

I’d happily take a “crowd volume” option if available. I love the sound of the crowds & the passion. I don’t want to hear anybody, man or woman droning over the top of it. 

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3 hours ago, m0e said:

Yeah, let's get supporters in to become pundits. Brilliant idea, that.

 

How about porn stars who watch football?

 

Let's get them in too.

 

"He's good at putting balls into the box."

 

"Look how happy they are. They had to work so hard for 90 minutes and had to come from behind."

 

"When he rises like that, you know what's next."

 

"He's gone down too easily there."

 

"Good move there. Having one in the hole can really liven things up."

 

"Not for me, Clive."

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I'm indifferent now to women pundits but it's fair enough to question their participation given the gulf between the two sports. Former players are there to provide insights on what it's like to play at that level, if that wasn't the case you'd have Acrington Stanley and Burscough players on Match of the Day. Having one question, say, the positioning of Andy Robertson as he charged down the flank against Arsenal would ring rather hollow.

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Its all ridiculously PC but the women commentating are utter shite. Id rather listen to Michael Owen co-commentating, which in itself is ridiculous. Its not sexist- its just fucking ridiculous. 

 

Try watching the darts- they have been cowed into female commentary. At least the women football commentators have played at some level I guess, the darts commentators havent....

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On another note, Ferdinand, Lineker and Shearer embarrassed themselves with the footage of them celebrating like school kids in front of Klinsmann 

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They’re English they’ve just seen the National team beat Germany in a knockout competition yet you expect their celebration to be muted.  I’m sure you’d be all quiet if it was Liverpool in a knockout competition and you have someone who supported the opposition team in the same room.

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They just beat a mediocre Germany in the LAST 16. They have a polite german guest as pundit who will laugh his bollocks off when we inevitably fuck it up  .

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Dave D said:

On another note, Ferdinand, Lineker and Shearer embarrassed themselves with the footage of them celebrating like school kids in front of Klinsmann 

Could you imagine Klinsmann doing that if Germany won..The way the country is now he’d never get away alive …

As for Lineker and Ferdinand well let’s hope their celebrations have the same outcome as a previous one of theirs 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Section_31 said:

I'm indifferent now to women pundits but it's fair enough to question their participation given the gulf between the two sports. Former players are there to provide insights on what it's like to play at that level, if that wasn't the case you'd have Acrington Stanley and Burscough players on Match of the Day. Having one question, say, the positioning of Andy Robertson as he charged down the flank against Arsenal would ring rather hollow.

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Well he can laugh his bollocks off now whilst the other three celebrate beating Germany in a knockout competition for once in a blue moon.

 

Obviously you’re above celebrating anything though for fear of upsetting someone in your vicinity.

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6 minutes ago, Stickman said:

Could you imagine Klinsmann doing that if Germany won..The way the country is now he’d never get away alive …

As for Lineker and Ferdinand well let’s hope their celebrations have the same outcome as a previous one of theirs 

 

 

 

Case closed. Weapons of the highest order 

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Just now, J-V said:

I’ve seen it already.  Ferdinand's a fucking drug cheating tit anyway but sometimes you just go mental.

You and me maybe, but vastly rich overpaid "pundits" should perhaps save such orgasmic celebrations for when we actually win something

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Just now, Dave D said:

You and me maybe, but vastly rich overpaid "pundits" should perhaps save such orgasmic celebrations for when we actually win something

These dickheads aren’t exactly the brightest bunch so I feel you’re expecting a lot from them.

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17 hours ago, Scott_M said:

Although Jenas offered significantly less insight that Hayes yesterday, he was massively better because he didn’t speak all the way though it.

 

I’d happily take a “crowd volume” option if available. I love the sound of the crowds & the passion. I don’t want to hear anybody, man or woman droning over the top of it. 

 

Yes. I'd kill for the crowd alone option. And I agree that the problem with Hayes is not her analysis, its the fact she talks constantly for the ninety minutes, even across the commentator, and her voice makes you ant to strangle kittens.

 

In the studio its not a problem because its not distracting from the actual football.

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The punditry has matched the quality of the football. Both have been bad. Lee Dixon is a particular favourite of mine for how shit he's been. Jenas is shit too. In fact I can't recall a single piece of decent punditry in the last couple of weeks.

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Reading the last few pages re female commentary, I feel compelled to comment from a female perspective.

 

For me it depends on what input they are asked to give. I think in any sport no-one particularly enjoys someone who speaks and won't stfu, with comments that show no insight, usefulness or are just banal; irrespective of gender.

 

If their is genuine insight in to tactics or formations, for example, that is something that is equivalent and insight can be gained from experience playing at a lower level or even watching / educating yourself. Sure their maybe some differences, again you can educate yourself in this reguard to a large extent. However, it is when female comentators begin commenting on what it is like taking a pen for example, or pressures of the game etc., this is when I start getting annoyed and call bullshit. I did when Clark Calslie was a commentator on the world cup, I hated listening to him that much it still grates, truly wofull.

 

If you have not played in a game that high profile you simply can not know what it is like. Given the women's game has just recently gone pro and lower profile of the women's game in this country, they don't and cant offer insights in to being in elite professional football. Sure they may have represented the national team but it is nowhere near equivalent, they didn't have 60k people in the stadium, the massive tv audience, the pressure of a nation or the shear nuts amount of money involved.

 

They simply can not give insighte in to this as they have not experienced it. It does my head in when they are asked to or voluntarily begin talking about it, as it really is not compatible to anything they will have experienced.

 

Personally don't enjoy women's football, for me it is too obviously slower than the mens game. Compared to something like track and field or even tennis where the difference is much less obvious. I actually object to it being pushed on the bbc site like it is, as it makes it more difficult to actually fined what I want to see.

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1 hour ago, skend04 said:

I can't recall a single piece of decent punditry in the last couple of weeks.

Danny Murphy.

He couldn't have hit that any better as the shot went wide.

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