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2 hours ago, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:
In my experience physical symptoms which can’t be explained and, especially, owned by one clinical team via a focused treatment plan, end up being soul-destroying and can seriously damage your mental well-being. Arguably worse in that respect than being fully aware of something pretty malign going on physically, but having an established route you can buy into to fight it/mitigate as circumstances allow. 

 

You end up chasing your own tail in ever-decreasing circles and it just burns you out. Had a fair bit of it this past year or so, and been at A&E again today with no light shone on the root cause. I can fully sympathise with how low it must be making you, flying blind with something that’s undermining you all the time. And that’s without the fear of it being something as serious as cancer.

 

The thing is, any suggestion such physical symptoms may be psychosomatic and induced by chronic worry, even partly, can instinctively feel patronising. Just wondering if the therapist involved felt able to suggest whether your no doubt well-founded fears of cancer may be related in that way, and/or offer any tools or advice to deal with it. It’s not something I have any experience with, seeing a therapist for health anxiety. I would say generally though, as with many things, getting the right therapist for you is key. Known people see one and get nowhere, then switch to another who, for whatever reason, was just able to tune into them and their overall complex set of circumstances that bit more astutely, and it be life-changing.

 

On the physical side, do you feel there are tests which should be carried out which haven’t been? Are you confident a particular issue is ruled out once you receive an all-clear on it, or do you still have that nagging sense that maybe the test is wrong or something along those lines? It’s usually fault-testing isn’t it, segmenting things and just slowly trying to rule out factors as significant, so they’re ticked off and the possible causes get fewer. Frustrating not to be able to get physical health and mental health therapists in the same room and have everyone thrash it out together no doubt, it becomes exhausting going back and forth.

 

If I felt there may be something physically wrong which was going undiagnosed I would be strongly pushing for every related test I could possibly get, but after a point if that has all been done yet you’re unconfident in even positive results, perhaps a different therapist may be of value to you. Of course, I get that establishing all physical issues have been ruled out is both fiendishly difficult and the root of the problem, so not trying to tell you things you already know. Just think your well-being is worth you considering trying again to get a handle on what may be exacerbating how you’re feeling.

 

The right therapist is gold-dust, but as with most things, you might not get the right one for you first time. Sorry for the ramble and if any of that sounds presumptuous. Hope you get some respite, that sounds awful.

Thanks for the very considered reply. It encapsulates well the way I've been feeling, it's not at all presumptuous.

 

In terms of tests, the extent of it has been your usual run-of-the-mill blood test, which is about as far as I've gotten with my GP, and an evaluation by an auto-immune disease specialist that was recommended by a surgeon I've had. My young age probably plays some kind of part in the testing or lack thereof.

 

I want to push harder with my GP, but the nature of my symptoms are bizarre. There are chronic ones like constant dull and shooting pain, some bowel issues and a general feeling of having dark clouds above my head and then I have so many symptoms that seem to come and go within weeks or months, like some urinary issues, night sweats, swollen lymph nodes, chills, shortness of breath, itchiness and muscle twitching.

 

It's difficult for me to pinpoint what could be wrong and I sympathise that it's hard for medical professionals to determine this as well, but I'm frustrated. It's like I'm almost waiting for a red flag to pop up which could alert somebody but that's fucked up to think about. It's like I'm fantasizing about it at this point, like I'll be proven right.

 

But the thing is, I can't keep going to the doctor every month or two and keep getting sent back home. It's no way to live and my GP 100% has no idea what to do with me anymore. It's human nature but I doubt she takes me seriously at this point.

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22 minutes ago, 3 Stacks said:

Thanks for the very considered reply. It encapsulates well the way I've been feeling, it's not at all presumptuous.

 

In terms of tests, the extent of it has been your usual run-of-the-mill blood test, which is about as far as I've gotten with my GP, and an evaluation by an auto-immune disease specialist that was recommended by a surgeon I've had. My young age probably plays some kind of part in the testing or lack thereof.

 

I want to push harder with my GP, but the nature of my symptoms are bizarre. There are chronic ones like constant dull and shooting pain, some bowel issues and a general feeling of having dark clouds above my head and then I have so many symptoms that seem to come and go within weeks or months, like some urinary issues, night sweats, swollen lymph nodes, chills, shortness of breath, itchiness and muscle twitching.

 

It's difficult for me to pinpoint what could be wrong and I sympathise that it's hard for medical professionals to determine this as well, but I'm frustrated. It's like I'm almost waiting for a red flag to pop up which could alert somebody but that's fucked up to think about. It's like I'm fantasizing about it at this point, like I'll be proven right.

 

But the thing is, I can't keep going to the doctor every month or two and keep getting sent back home. It's no way to live and my GP 100% has no idea what to do with me anymore. It's human nature but I doubt she takes me seriously at this point.

These are all symptoms associated with anxiety and/or depression. I've had these at one time or another over the last year too. 

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2 hours ago, Rico1304 said:

It’s fucking Scientology isn’t it.  Ha ha ha. 

Yeah I'm Tom Cruise.

 

Jesus christ people making fun, belittling others etc on a topic about depression.

 

This place is really toxic at times. Disgusting in fact.

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1 hour ago, Seasons said:

Thoughts on the BBC prog?

It was interesting to see somebody I’ve always regarded as a strong, belligerent individual, display such vulnerability. 

 

I felt for the guy in the psilocybin trial. It must be hard for someone who has spent most of his life in deep depression, to have that three months where he was free of it, but then be unable to go back and get further treatment because permission for the trial has ended.

 

But then without an extended trial we don’t know if it would have worked similarly a second time, or if it would have been the law of diminishing returns, or even if it would have had a completely different effect. And we only got to see him, so we don’t know if it worked for the other trialists.

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1 minute ago, LF:D said:

Yeah I'm Tom Cruise.

 

Jesus christ people making fun, belittling others etc on a topic about depression.

 

This place is really toxic at times. Disgusting in fact.

I haven’t belittled you.  Is it Scientology? 

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1 minute ago, Rico1304 said:

I haven’t belittled you.  Is it Scientology? 

It's not, no.

 

I won't be coming in this thread again.

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15 minutes ago, LF:D said:

Yeah I'm Tom Cruise.

 

Jesus christ people making fun, belittling others etc on a topic about depression.

 

This place is really toxic at times. Disgusting in fact.

It’s perfectly awful the way people ask you to justify sweeping things you’ve said and pull you up on your laughable pompousness.

 

If I was you I wouldn’t stand for it and to teach them a lesson would refuse to provide details of a secret cure you know about.

 

If people won’t believe in it without you saying what it is and providing some evidence, more fool them. 

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Has anyone read any of this Matt Haig's stuff? He's always on Twitter moaning about how stressed he is which makes me suspect they don't work.

 

"Got up to make a brew before but had to sit down again." 

 

Inspiring stuff. A depressed Martin Lewis.

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Is it possible to suffer from anxiety and narcissistic personality disorder at the same time?

 

Or is it maybe inappropriate to tell people you've never met that you know more about their mental health than they do?  Is it maybe not constructive to make grand claims about a condition, suggest it is based in "science", then fail to add any detail or evidence when challenged?

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On 22/05/2019 at 05:21, Lizzie Birdsworths Wrinkled Chopper said:

It’s a very simple question.

 

Are we talking Scientology or something else?

I bet it's the Living Hope church. They've gained  a foothold on the IOM over the last few years. They're one of those "give us half your wages and you'll definitely definitely go to heaven, scouts honour ".

 

Just another cult for the gullible to make the few rich.

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Just to underline this should anyone reference my name, experience or comments above, if you are in any way struggling or concerned about your mental health, speak to your GP or contact your nearby A&E department if you are unable to keep yourself safe.

 

If I have given any other impression, please discard and speak to your GP.

 

I won't be commenting further nor responding to any message relating to mental health or otherwise.

 

All the best and keep safe x

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57 minutes ago, Seasons said:

Just to underline this should anyone reference my name, experience or comments above, if you are in any way struggling or concerned about your mental health, speak to your GP or contact your nearby A&E department if you are unable to keep yourself safe.

 

If I have given any other impression, please discard and speak to your GP.

 

I won't be commenting further nor responding to any message relating to mental health or otherwise.

 

All the best and keep safe x

Surely if someone specifically asks for your advice it wouldn't be turned down. Your choice obviously and hopefully this doesn't mean you will leave the forums. Again your choice obviously. 

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17 hours ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

Surely if someone specifically asks for your advice it wouldn't be turned down. Your choice obviously and hopefully this doesn't mean you will leave the forums. Again your choice obviously. 

 

But why would someone ask for advice from someone who doesn't work in the mental health sector, isn't qualified and just C+P from self help materials? If you have any questions please refer to your GP as they are a more appropriate clinician.

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The value of this thread for me, and I presume others, has been that it has provided a space for people to share their own experiences and read the experiences of others and as such has been a source of collective and mutual support for a fair few on here I’d guess.

 

It is a thread on a football forum, nothing more and nothing less. It doesn’t claim to provide medical advice and I don’t think anyone has ever seen it as such. People have used it as a way of checking out their own thoughts, perhaps sometimes seeking validation for the way they are feeling  before referring themselves to mental health services and on occasions posters on the thread have collectively encouraged others to seek that kind of help when it has seemed that a situation has reached a crisis. 

 

There should be no need for anyone to demonstrate their formal qualifications because no-one should be coming on here seeking clinical diagnosis and treatment or equalling to be providing it

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7 minutes ago, Champ said:

The value of this thread for me, and I presume others, has been that it has provided a space for people to share their own experiences and read the experiences of others and as such has been a source of collective and mutual support for a fair few on here I’d guess.

 

It is a thread on a football forum, nothing more and nothing less. It doesn’t claim to provide medical advice and I don’t think anyone has ever seen it as such. People have used it as a way of checking out their own thoughts, perhaps sometimes seeking validation for the way they are feeling  before referring themselves to mental health services and on occasions posters on the thread have collectively encouraged others to seek that kind of help when it has seemed that a situation has reached a crisis. 

 

There should be no need for anyone to demonstrate their formal qualifications because no-one should be coming on here seeking clinical diagnosis and treatment or equalling to be providing it

 

Exactly.

 

I've been through the majority of my posts on here and I'm struggling to see where Colin's concerns are. There have been posts where I've had my professional hat on but the majority have simply been signposting people to see what therapeutic options are available to them by speaking to their GP or contacting their nearest IAPT service.

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1 hour ago, Seasons said:

 

But why would someone ask for advice from someone who doesn't work in the mental health sector, isn't qualified and just C+P from self help materials? If you have any questions please refer to your GP as they are a more appropriate clinician.

Because some people see value in someone offering assistance to others, regardless of their qualifications to do so. 

 

It shows they care and that is more important to me than any qualification in the world. 

 

I'll probably get negged for football on the GF but as far as I can recall Bill Shankly didn't have a single coaching badge from the FA. I don't think that did him much harm! 

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Just now, Shooter in the Motor said:

Because some people see value in someone offering assistance to others, regardless of their qualifications to do so. 

 

It shows they care and that is more important to me than any qualification in the world. 

 

I'll probably get negged for football on the GF but as far as I can recall Bill Shankly didn't have a single coaching badge from the FA. I don't think that did him much harm! 

 

I was joking/being passive-aggressive.

 

Happy to help.

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9 minutes ago, Shooter in the Motor said:

Because some people see value in someone offering assistance to others, regardless of their qualifications to do so. 

 

It shows they care and that is more important to me than any qualification in the world. 

 

I'll probably get negged for football on the GF but as far as I can recall Bill Shankly didn't have a single coaching badge from the FA. I don't think that did him much harm! 

This is where I come down too.

 

Have often found season's insights and genuine compassion very helpful. Don't  see why you have to be Carl Jung to proffer an opinion on mental health.

 

I offer advice all the time to friends and on here based purely on what I've found works for me. It's people's choice whether they act on it or not.

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