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14 hours ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Sorry to hear that, mate. Just know, you’re not the only one. I’ve had a horrible two months. Another fella from here who I hold in very high regard is also suffering. It’s a real bastard and it can make you feel so incredibly shit. Hang in there, mate. And if you can’t take any more and you want to talk to some daft cunt off the internet, just send me a PM. 

 

Thanks man.

 

I know I just need to wait and ride out some stuff first, before I can even look at how I’m feeling.

 

When the dust settles it’s of upmost importance that I finally tackle this and stop brushing it under the rug.  That’s clearly not worked for me.

 

ive no faith in magic pills so I think I’ll start by reading up and educating myself.

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6 minutes ago, Grinch said:

 

Thanks man.

 

I know I just need to wait and ride out some stuff first, before I can even look at how I’m feeling.

 

When the dust settles it’s of upmost importance that I finally tackle this and stop brushing it under the rug.  That’s clearly not worked for me.

 

ive no faith in magic pills so I think I’ll start by reading up and educating myself.

Yeah, dealing with it instead of ignoring it is definitely a must. It’s not easy and as soon as you start to feel a bit better you’re liable to start pushing it under the rug again. At least I did. As for pills... I had the same attitude for years until I just couldn’t go without them. Then within a couple of weeks things started to get easier and more manageable, just from swallowing a pill with breakfast. If you’re low on chemicals, it’s going to suck regardless. Getting your diet right and some exercise will help too. 

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15 hours ago, Grinch said:

It’s a cunt.  My cat helps and right now, I think she’s the only thing that does.  Depression and anxiety is always something I’ve struggled with but the last four weeks have been a daily struggle to keep existing.

 

im in the midst of much upheaval though so I know I just need to ride it out, this will pass.   Relationship in tatters, missing two other pets, living in a town I’m not sure I want to be in but I do have a good job here.    I’m thankful I have an understanding boss or I could have been adding unemployment and homelessness to that list.

 

And I’ve no one to blame but me.   Tbh it’s been a shitshow of a two years, I’m surprised I didn’t crack sooner.

It will pass mate. I had a really shit week last week. Didn't want to leave my bed, talk to anyone or eat. Decided to knock the ale on the head for a bit after far too much over xmas. After 2/3 sleepless nights lay there sweating with my head all over the place unable to switch off I slowly started feeling better. this week I've eaten like a maniac, I'm up fresh every morning, out like a light when my head hits the pillow and it has done me the world of good.

 

Still not perfect and a lot of shit I can't immediately change is playing on my mind but just feeling physically better is priceless. I am motivated to clean up, shower, cook food as opposed to just make noodles as they are easy and getting fresh air if needed. I did get some sleep aid tablets from wilkinson though that have helped me. Only about a quid a box and they are herbal. Literally within 20 minutes of having a couple i'm yawning and ready for bed. Out like a light for 7 hours every night. 

 

Things will get better mate, its just how well you ride it when it is shit. its far easier said than done and I know how easy it is to try and drink through the pain. Ive done that for nearly 3 years and it has got me nowhere. 

 

As NV has said, if you want to chat with a complete stranger my PM is always open. 

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1 hour ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

Yeah, dealing with it instead of ignoring it is definitely a must. It’s not easy and as soon as you start to feel a bit better you’re liable to start pushing it under the rug again. At least I did. As for pills... I had the same attitude for years until I just couldn’t go without them. Then within a couple of weeks things started to get easier and more manageable, just from swallowing a pill with breakfast. If you’re low on chemicals, it’s going to suck regardless. Getting your diet right and some exercise will help too. 

The man’s right and I know Stig’ll be along in a minute to say what a horrible time he had but the drugs work for me. They won’t sort out whatever it is you’re struggling with but they can settle your mind and give you the space you need to help you think what you need to do to get to a better place.

 

You are very definitely not alone

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1 minute ago, Champ said:

The man’s right and I know Stig’ll be along in a minute to say what a horrible time he had but the drugs work for me. They won’t sort out whatever it is you’re struggling with but they can put you in a better place to settle your mind and give you the space you need to help you think what you need to do to get to a better place.

 

You are very definitely not alone

They work for some clearly Cath so i'm not knocking them too much. I personally wouldn't ever touch them again. Talking is a far better solution IMO. 

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8 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

They work for some clearly Cath so i'm not knocking them too much. I personally wouldn't ever touch them again. Talking is a far better solution IMO. 

I assume you had a bad experience with them, mate? That can really colour a person’s view on them. One of my best mates was misdiagnosed and they put him on something he shouldn’t have had. He went crazy. Literally, hallucinating, suicide attempts the lots. They then sent him to the mental health team, they diagnosed him, got him sorted on meds, he’s now earning loads from his new career. Like a pig in shit now. 

 

For me, it’s about 1) severity 2) the correct approach to the individual. If you have mild  to moderate depression, then I think talk therapy alone is a great solution. If things are more severe, with terrible anxiety and severe depression, you’ll not get to that point without medication in quite a few cases. A more holistic approach is better in those cases.

 

 

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The support on this thread is fantastic. We should start a Anxiety, Stress and Depression Quiz Team to support each other and socialise. I’m in, depending how I feel, if I can be arsed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Love you all. Not Stig though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I’m in love with him

 

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4 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

For me, it’s about 1) severity 2) the correct approach to the individual. If you have mild  to moderate depression, then I think talk therapy alone is a great solution. If things are more severe, with terrible anxiety and severe depression, you’ll not get to that point without medication in quite a few cases. A more holistic approach is better in those cases.

Wanted to expand on this as I've stated this a few times (I think). 

 

Medication is designed to provide chemical balance (or mood regulation if that works for you). For instance, if someone presents with low mood or depression and they're really struggling something like Sertraline/Fluoxetine is usually provided. That's not your GP saying "ey mate, you're a bit fucked in the head and you need these to survive" it's there to provide you with some stability and consistency in your mood. Another example is those struggling with social anxiety often have huge highs and devastating lows on a daily basis and working with these folks without the aid of medication can be a journey of suicide attempts, self-harm and challenging recovery. With, they are more able to rationalise, learn and understand barriers which is stopping them from say getting their hair cut or going to the shop. 

 

You can complete therapy with or without medication. I've worked with both and both have great recoveries - it all depends on the client. If you're mood is all over the place frequency then speak to your GP. Get some balance and then work on that foundation. If you're already consistent with your mood, work on your behaviour. Get out more, plan things in your diary, find your values and do the stuff you love. You don't need to wait 'til the dust settles' you can do it right this minute. 

 

Have an empowering wank. 

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31 minutes ago, Numero Veinticinco said:

I assume you had a bad experience with them, mate? That can really colour a person’s view on them. One of my best mates was misdiagnosed and they put him on something he shouldn’t have had. He went crazy. Literally, hallucinating, suicide attempts the lots. They then sent him to the mental health team, they diagnosed him, got him sorted on meds, he’s now earning loads from his new career. Like a pig in shit now. 

 

For me, it’s about 1) severity 2) the correct approach to the individual. If you have mild  to moderate depression, then I think talk therapy alone is a great solution. If things are more severe, with terrible anxiety and severe depression, you’ll not get to that point without medication in quite a few cases. A more holistic approach is better in those cases.

 

 

Against every ounce of my will my ex made me go and see a doctor to talk. She could see I was shot to pieces but I would't admit it. Broke down the second I walked through the door with the doc. Half an hour bringing everything up and she signed me off for a month and prescribed me some. I was bad but a week later I was an absolute disgrace. Suicidal the lot. Hit the bottle big time and pretty much fucked my life up. Took a few of my mates organising a few drinks which was actually an invite for them all to sit me down and basically bollock the shit out of me to even remotely see any light. A few lads off here were a great help as well but i'm still struggling to get out of the mess I left behind. If I could go back I wouldn't have touched them. I'm not 'blaming' them outright as I obviously had issues but they certainly triggered a different, bad side of me. 

 

That said if they work for some then brilliant. 

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I've started taking Mirtazipine, due to the Dr saying that low mood/stress exacerbates physical pain, which I've had a lot with my back over the last 12 months, it is certainly helping me sleep and there's no sexual side effects either which is the major side effect I've found with anti-depressants.

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Just now, Elite said:

I've started taking Mirtazipine, due to the Dr saying that low mood/stress exacerbates physical pain, which I've had a lot with my back over the last 12 months, it is certainly helping me sleep and there's no sexual side effects either which is the major side effect I've found with anti-depressants.

Glad you can still be a wanker mate. 

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2 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

Against every ounce of my will my ex made me go and see a doctor to talk. She could see I was shot to pieces but I would't admit it. Broke down the second I walked through the door with the doc. Half an hour bringing everything up and she signed me off for a month and prescribed me some. I was bad but a week later I was an absolute disgrace. Suicidal the lot. Hit the bottle big time and pretty much fucked my life up. Took a few of my mates organising a few drinks which was actually an invite for them all to sit me down and basically bollock the shit out of me to even remotely see any light. A few lads off here were a great help as well but i'm still struggling to get out of the mess I left behind. If I could go back I wouldn't have touched them. I'm not 'blaming' them outright as I obviously had issues but they certainly triggered a different, bad side of me. 

 

That said if they work for some then brilliant. 

Sometimes you have to get through the first few weeks and then things settle down. The ones you had must not have agreed with you though at all.

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Just now, Bjornebye said:

Glad you can still be a wanker mate. 

Yep, without my cock looking like it's been on a wood sander.

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7 minutes ago, Elite said:

Sometimes you have to get through the first few weeks and then things settle down. The ones you had must not have agreed with you though at all.

She diagnosed me sleeping tablets as well and by day 5 on the antidepressants I downed the whole lot of the sleeping tablets after a bottle of brandy sat next to my bed. Obviously thinking they might do the job. They didn't but I had a hell of a sleep. Proper scared me the next day though and I binned them. 

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5 minutes ago, Bjornebye said:

She diagnosed me sleeping tablets as well and by day 5 on the antidepressants I downed the whole lot of the sleeping tablets after a bottle of brandy sat next to my bed. Obviously thinking they might do the job. They didn't but I had a hell of a sleep. Proper scared me the next day though and I binned them. 

Could have been a lot worse doing shit like that but when you aren't in the right frame of mind sense goes out the window.

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I was given tablets by the Doctor years ago, cannot remember the name, supposed to be Anti- Depressants they were Traquilizers.

I was zonked like a Zombie after ten minutes, they got lashed straight away.

Different things work for different people.

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29 minutes ago, Scal Capone said:

Were they Mirtazapine VB? If so, they are to be taken at night, they put you to sleep but, at first, there's daytime drowsiness which lifts after about a week.

Sounds like something the Nazis would have used 

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That's another of my mates who's gone down with it now and is off work again. Of our core group of four mates we've all had anxiety and/or depression over the last few years to the extent where we've been off work for a while. 

 

We've all come through the bouts of it and we help each other when needs be. But I think back to when we were younger, having fifa footy tournaments and sinking JD before a night out and how far away all this shit seemed back then, the whole idea of it would have been totally alien to us until we were well into our 30s. 

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On Thursday 7th February it's another day designed to get people talking about mental health. 

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This year’s Time to Talk Day is all about bringing together the right ingredients, to have a conversation about mental health. Whether that’s tea, biscuits and close friends or a room full of people challenging mental health stigma, we want you to get talking.

https://www.time-to-change.org.uk/get-involved/timetotalkday2019

 

Some shite promo about it: 

 

 

 

So, why am I posting this? 

 

Well, it's good to be aware of it for a start - it's good to talk as you've all experienced. It's also super important to read about others problems, chipping in when you can, or just to follow their story. There's been some wonderful support showcased in here and I'd like to say that you're all an amazing bunch of people. 

 

I'd like to pose a challenge to each and every member on this forum. That's to start a conversation with someone new. It doesn't matter who, it doesn't matter how, just spark up a conversation. Ask how their day has been, make them laugh, smile at them (not in a creepy way like). Do it from now until the end of 7th. The smallest effort can be the different between someone having a good day, or a lonely miserable day. 

 

I've started this already and tagged along to a local elderly meet up. I made them all tea, asked about their week and shared out some biscuits. It was brilliant and they all left with a smile plastered on their face. It took about 1 hour of my day and it'll no doubt keep them smiling for a day or two. 

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On 1/11/2019 at 4:23 PM, Scal Capone said:

Were they Mirtazapine VB? If so, they are to be taken at night, they put you to sleep but, at first, there's daytime drowsiness which lifts after about a week.

I have had those too mate. 

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It's quite scary that you can find out that your life has been influenced by a level of depression, anxiety and anger that you didn't actually recognise was there. The last couple of years I have been making some pretty erratic decisions which have certainly left me not in the ideal place that I would like to be. I have always been aware that I have had problems with the left side of my jaw but the last six months or so it has escalated to a point where at times the pain is unpredictable and unbearable. So I felt it was time to look into it now to see if at least SOMETHING could be done about it. I did go to the doctors a few years ago but they simply said firstly that everyone gets clicks in their jaws sometimes so just learn to deal with it. Then another doctor simply said that it was arthritis in the jaw therefore nothing can be done about it. The problem with advice like this from a position of authority is that you take it for what it is and there is no other answer.

 

Well, it seems like there could have been another answer all along. I recently discovered a condition abbreviated to TMJ (Temporomandibular Joint) which causes extreme pain in the jaw joints, can result in severe depression, anxiety, anger, PTSD and even can result in suicide in extreme cases. It's a good job I have found out about it now as I feel as though it has been developing into an extreme case. So I looked online for more information and found a book called Taking Control of TMJ by Robert O Uppgaard, D.D.S. It's a 'Total Wellness Program for recovering from TMJ pain, Whiplash, Fibromyalgia and Related Disorders'.

 

It's a very interesting book as it gives a lot of information into the common causes of TMJ and common causes are dental work (tooth removal), whiplash, assaults especially effecting the face and neck, poor posture, high levels of stress resulting in teeth grinding or muscular tension especially from facial grimacing. All of these can then result in the skeleton and it's bindings all over the body being misaligned resulting in all kinds of muscular tensions throughout the body. This can then result in depression, anxiety and anger. It's worth noting that I had a tooth taken out on the upper left side of my mouth (I would call it the Dracula tooth!) and it was not replaced, I was also attacked as a young man getting off a bus which was punches and kicks to the face as I was knocked violently to the ground and had two closed black eyes and an bad injury to my nose (although it was not broken, luckily) and about 8 years ago I was involved in a heavy rear ender collision while on a drive with someone at a fast roundabout that result in severe whiplash. All these things would have contributed to the TMJ.

 

The book (which I am still reading) then gives a set of exercises to do mainly involving the jaw to help alleviate this pain and possibly eventually to eradicate it. As I am doing these exercises I am also trying to see where habits are (teeth grinding, slouching, sleeping on the side instead of back) which can then all cause it to restart.

 

In the space of about five days a lot of the depression, anxiety and especially anger has really lifted! I am noticing far less pain in my jaw (it could come back but I am maintaining the exercises) and I am enjoying learning about the trigger points in the body that are likely to cause the negative emotions in the first place.

 

Perhaps it could work for others, so I thought I would post a link to the book just in case it may offer any assistance.

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Taking-Control-TMJ-Temporomandibular-Fibromyalgia/dp/1572241268/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1548351807&sr=8-1&keywords=taking+control+of+tmj

 

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It's been 15 years since I went to the doctor regarding a severe upsurge in anxiety/depression but this morning it had to be done. Fluoxetine has been prescribed for 28 days, although the doc said it could result in an increase in anxiety initially. Not looking forward to that.

 

Lots of things happening over the last six months and it just all came in last week. Jaw is a lot better but it may have opened up lots of feelings/thoughts that may have been held on to.

 

I'm not a huge fan of taking meds for it but needs must, hopefully they give some assistance as I try and sort out the things that have played a part in causing it to happen. 

 

Anxiety is a vicious little urchin.

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